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Well I support equal rights and equal treatment of women, as well as breaking down arbitrary and pointless gender roles and expectations, as well as encouraging women to take more part in traditionally male dominated professions. Like science for instance... Does that make me qualified?
If you identity as a feminist then yes. I don't think I'm qualified to judge if you are feminist enough. Though there are people who say similar things as you but are afraid to be called a feminists and that comes from the idea that feminist are extremists. I have had people say to me that men should evacuate from forums because I, the feminist was there
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sometimes I have trouble spelling feminists to the point where I take 30+ mins to correct myself.

I'll go along with equality and yadda yadda yadda. Unless you have cat ears, we're all humans. If you do, you're just so adorable~!
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Well I support equal rights and equal treatment of women, as well as breaking down arbitrary and pointless gender roles and expectations, as well as encouraging women to take more part in traditionally male dominated professions. Like science for instance... Does that make me qualified?


If you identity as a feminist then yes. I don't think I'm qualified to judge if you are feminist enough. Though there are people who say similar things as you but are afraid to be called a feminists and that comes from the idea that feminist are extremists. I have had people say to me that men should evacuate from forums because I, the feminist was there


Well that's why I generally don't label myself as a feminist. Because the term has been hijacked by those whom I consider to be extremists and whom I don't want to be associated with. The ones I refer to as feminazis.
Because I hate the fact that they've taken the name of a movement and ideology that should be common sense, and that everyone should agree to, and turned it into something that people associate with whiney, overly sensitive, hypocritical bullies.
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Well that's why I generally don't label myself as a feminist. Because the term has been hijacked by those whom I consider to be extremists and whom I don't want to be associated with. The ones I refer to as feminazis.
Because I hate the fact that they've taken the name of a movement and ideology that should be common sense, and that everyone should agree to, and turned it into something that people associate with whiney, overly sensitive, hypocritical bullies.
Have you spoken with an authentic feminist before?
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Posted 6/5/14

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Syndicaidramon wrote:

Well that's why I generally don't label myself as a feminist. Because the term has been hijacked by those whom I consider to be extremists and whom I don't want to be associated with. The ones I refer to as feminazis.
Because I hate the fact that they've taken the name of a movement and ideology that should be common sense, and that everyone should agree to, and turned it into something that people associate with whiney, overly sensitive, hypocritical bullies.


Have you spoken with an authentic feminist before?


"Authentic" in which way?
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"Authentic" in which way?
Authentic in the right way.
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Those pictures made me laugh so fucking hard, thanks


I feel like those feminist protests like that one on the picture are some self-absorbed "first world problems", if you wanna fight for women's rights, go where it's needed, at the Middle East where some countries allow rapists to marry their victim instead of facing charges, if anything Western society puts women on a pedestal, so i feel like you're just being a silly goose by protesting about stupid shit like being aggressively hit on looked at as a lesser specie, that's just a douchebag problem, a guy with that mentality isn't an asshole JUST to women, he's probably like that in all aspects of his life.
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Those pictures made me laugh so fucking hard, thanks


I feel like those feminist protests like that one on the picture are some self-absorbed "first world problems", if you wanna fight for women's rights, go where it's needed, at the Middle East where some countries allow rapists to marry their victim instead of facing charges, if anything Western society puts women on a pedestal, so i feel like you're just being a silly goose by protesting about stupid shit like being aggressively hit on looked at as a lesser specie, that's just a douchebag problem, a guy with that mentality isn't an asshole JUST to women, he's probably like that in all aspects of his life.

I think this is a pretty fair criticism. A lot of the social critiques internet feminists generate seem to be about trivial problems without much impact (i.e. it's basically blogging).

In general, I think every philosophy has to deal with the question of its own value. Maybe it's just a sign the feminists out there haven't done a good job of advocating for their cause. Maybe they don't have achievable goals. Who knows. I will say that the economists at least get one thing. You're not going to bring people to your side and get them to do what you want without appealing to their self interest. Maybe the same logic should apply to these sorts of social movements?
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outerheaven139 wrote:

Those pictures made me laugh so fucking hard, thanks


I feel like those feminist protests like that one on the picture are some self-absorbed "first world problems", if you wanna fight for women's rights, go where it's needed, at the Middle East where some countries allow rapists to marry their victim instead of facing charges, if anything Western society puts women on a pedestal, so i feel like you're just being a silly goose by protesting about stupid shit like being aggressively hit on looked at as a lesser specie, that's just a douchebag problem, a guy with that mentality isn't an asshole JUST to women, he's probably like that in all aspects of his life.

I think this is a pretty fair criticism. A lot of the social critiques internet feminists generate seem to be about trivial problems without much impact (i.e. it's basically blogging).

In general, I think every philosophy has to deal with the question of its own value. Maybe it's just a sign the feminists out there haven't done a good job of advocating for their cause. Maybe they don't have achievable goals. Who knows. I will say that the economists at least get one thing. You're not going to bring people to your side and get them to do what you want without appealing to their self interest. Maybe the same logic should apply to these sorts of social movements?



Yeah pretty much what you said, they don't have important stuff to be angry about, so they end up nitpicking on retarded shit.

And i honestly don't follow feminism that close to tell you if they're actually accomplishing anything, even because it's not a specific group, in my opinion it became a " cool" status amongst women, i just don't see any of them fighting for women's right in oppresive countries, i think it's just poeple being people, much like people that always complain about their country's political situation but they won't even bother to vote, i'm not saying you HAVE to be an active fighting member of a cause to voice your opinion about it, but jesus christ, when are you ever going to accomplish anything by having twitter battles, i've seen some girls on facebook taking pictures with their tits out saying " #YesAllWomen", what is being accomplished there exactly ? you're just giving dudes fap material, i think they should be pressing their local politicians to sign bills or spread some awareness about locations where women actually suffer.
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Syndicaidramon wrote:

"Authentic" in which way?
Authentic in the right way.


I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to be a little more specific... I don't know what you mean when you're referring to "authentic" feminists. As you're evidently far more liberal regarding the use of the term than I am...
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70% domestic violence? where do you get your stats, reddit? are we deliberately ignoring the fact that all women after marriage automatically become servants? yeah I'm talking about what people find diffcult to admit... who does all the household chores? for you it's a given fact that women have to take care of them, right? it's very sad that even women take it as a given duty, besides, even if your stats were 50% accurate, they're applied only to western countries, in many middle-east countries female individuals are treated like house pets, used only to give birth to kids, forced to completely hide themselves from society and from men's sight, allowed to talk only to their possessive husband or parents.

Feminism? it's just an illusion, there's no such thing in reality with some exception maybe in Japan, though some laws are ridiculous I've to admit.
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Sooo ... This whole "feminist" thing just makes me wonder (again) ... why are we, as a society, sound hellbent on labeling and ostracizing people with different views?

I'm all for equality, whether it is based on sex, religion, race, sexual orientation, whatever. People are people and a part of what makes 'people' so great is that every single one is different, so why do we label them?

Maybe our incessant need to label, people or groups of people is a part of the problem?

Maybe I'm just lucky that I grew up in an area (and family) where women were treated as equals to men. I used to lay brick with my grandfather as a summer job and met a number of pretty spectacular women that could haul and mix mortar with the best of them; I also happen to be good friends with a male nurse and nobody really thinks twice about it. Like I said, I'm lucky, and it's just a crappy situation that we find ourselves in, labeling everyone.

Maybe, instead of labeling one another feminists, chauvinists, or whatever, we just sit back and listen for a moment? Then address the issue at hand like rational adults?

Oh who am I kidding; this is the age of the intertubes, nothing productive is getting done unless it has to do with cats (who clearly rule the world; they are all high-and-mighty IRL and they are literally all over the internet ...).

A pity it is that EXACT thinking that is a part of the problem of 'feminism' 'modern feminism' or whatever other label you want to throw out there.

Though ... I WOULD like to be able to flash my chest and get a free beer ... that'd be nice (equality for the win!)
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70% domestic violence? where do you get your stats, reddit? are we deliberately ignoring the fact that all women after marriage automatically become servants? yeah I'm talking about what people find diffcult to admit... who does all the household chores? for you it's a given fact that women have to take care of them, right? it's very sad that even women take it as a given duty, besides, even if your stats were 50% accurate, they're applied only to western countries, in many middle-east countries female individuals are treated like house pets, used only to give birth to kids, forced to completely hide themselves from society and from men's sight, allowed to talk only to their possessive husband or parents.

Feminism? it's just an illusion, there's no such thing in reality with some exception maybe in Japan, though some laws are ridiculous I've to admit.


Um ...

I don't know any wife (and I know lots of them) who, after getting married, became a servant ... That's kind of extreme, don't you think?

I think, though, that if we look at global issues givenyou're bringing up a number of different regions in the world, it isn't a matter about 'women's rights' but the far more important 'human rights.' Yes, women are forced into those roles by men in some of those countries. How 'bout them children in Africa? You know, the ones with machine guns that need to go fight for whatever warlord happens to have wandered into town? Are you saying that women's rights are more important than children's rights?

On the other hand, as a healthy male from the U.S.A. I think the only question I have in regards to those women you're mentioning above is this ...

I am half a world away ... what can I do for them there, when the women here don't have the equality that they deserve (admittedly, children here in the States are pretty well protected)? Who should I focus my time on? The ones there, being treated terribly, or the ones here, where I live?

Maybe some clarification would be nice; are we talking Feminists and Equal Rights activists in the U.S.A. and/or other First World Countries? Or are we talking about Women's Rights / Equal Rights on a Global scale?
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Um ...

I don't know any wife (and I know lots of them) who, after getting married, became a servant ... That's kind of extreme, don't you think?


No, it's not extreme at all, for you is a given that women have to be housekeepers for their whole life and this proves my point (really I didn't need your answer to prove it, because it's quite a known fact that most men have this mentality).


t1ckles wrote:I think, though, that if we look at global issues givenyou're bringing up a number of different regions in the world, it isn't a matter about 'women's rights' but the far more important 'human rights.' Yes, women are forced into those roles by men in some of those countries. How 'bout them children in Africa? You know, the ones with machine guns that need to go fight for whatever warlord happens to have wandered into town? Are you saying that women's rights are more important than children's rights?


I never said anything about children, aren't we talking about feminism and women? if not then I'm sorry, I was off-topic I guess.


t1ckles wrote:On the other hand, as a healthy male from the U.S.A. I think the only question I have in regards to those women you're mentioning above is this ...

I am half a world away ... what can I do for them there, when the women here don't have the equality that they deserve (admittedly, children here in the States are pretty well protected)? Who should I focus my time on? The ones there, being treated terribly, or the ones here, where I live?

Maybe some clarification would be nice; are we talking Feminists and Equal Rights activists in the U.S.A. and/or other First World Countries? Or are we talking about Women's Rights / Equal Rights on a Global scale?


I don't know about the US because I was answering to the op and what I said was in general, all round the world women have the role of housekeeper and in some countries are even worse than servants, that's a fact, what do you want me to clarify?
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I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to be a little more specific... I don't know what you mean when you're referring to "authentic" feminists. As you're evidently far more liberal regarding the use of the term than I am...
I was suggesting that you were able to make the distinction between the feminazi and real feminists because you have spoken with a real feminist. I guess I was trying to ask how did you know the feminist you were talking to was a real feminists?
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