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Post Reply In your opinion, what is the difference between self-sacrifice and suicide?
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I'm guessing self-sacrifice is only very rarely going to happen for the sake of a total stranger, and if so most likely not deliberately. In fact I think that's a key difference, a lot of the time 'self-sacrifice' is an instinctive act with the sole aim of protecting or rescuing someone important from danger, not with the intention of dying.

If the person does intend to die, then it could be that they do indeed find suicide to be shameful and inglorious. They would probably want to have a legacy and be remembered for that one good deed first and foremost, rather than be discussed as a problem-person forever after. In that case, however, it's still pretty much the same as suicide and you're still usually going to be leaving behind loved ones whose lives will suffer because of your departure.

It's an awkward question, because I think that someone looking to die but disdaining typical suicide and looking for an opportunity to sacrifice themselves for the good of another, is someone with a sense of justice who values the admiration and attention of others and probably wanted to be given it their whole life. With their death they're probably seeking to express their 'selves' to everyone in a way they might have felt nobody ever recognized in them, whereas other suicides can have whatever other flavouring you could think of. This kind of leads on to suicide-bombers and such, who are fully prepared to die because they don't give as much worth to their own life as to a cause, one can still see the strong sense of justice and some kind of desire to be remembered which may come from a low self-esteem or lack of attention and perceived love during their lifetime. Someone throwing themselves to their deaths for the sake of other people may often feel that they'll never be able to break through the crust and establish themselves as someone possessing Greatness, and that this is the only way they can do so and therefore simultaneously show everybody else that they had more courage and selflessness than they could have expressed otherwise.

So yeah, imo self-sacrifice is just one type of suicide, befitting a certain personality type.
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I'm guessing self-sacrifice is only very rarely going to happen for the sake of a total stranger, and if so most likely not deliberately. In fact I think that's a key difference, a lot of the time 'self-sacrifice' is an instinctive act with the sole aim of protecting or rescuing someone important from danger, not with the intention of dying.

If the person does intend to die, then it could be that they do indeed find suicide to be shameful and inglorious. They would probably want to have a legacy and be remembered for that one good deed first and foremost, rather than be discussed as a problem-person forever after. In that case, however, it's still pretty much the same as suicide and you're still usually going to be leaving behind loved ones whose lives will suffer because of your departure.

It's an awkward question, because I think that someone looking to die but disdaining typical suicide and looking for an opportunity to sacrifice themselves for the good of another, is someone with a sense of justice who values the admiration and attention of others and probably wanted to be given it their whole life. With their death they're probably seeking to express their 'selves' in a way they might have felt nobody ever recognized in them, whereas other suicides can have whatever other flavouring you could think of. This kind of leads on to suicide-bombers and such, who are fully prepared to die because they don't give as much worth to their own life as to a cause, one can still see the strong sense of justice and some kind of desire to be remembered which may come from a low self-esteem or lack of attention and perceived love during their lifetime.

So yeah, imo self-sacrifice is just one type of suicide, befitting a certain personality type.



Yeah. You'll rarely find someone doing that for an unknown person. What about family?
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That's what I'm saying - if it isn't deliberate it's not suicide. If it is, then it's a type of suicide I tried describing.
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1. It's a persons choice. I was at a dark time in my life years back when I was pretty much being tortured mentally and physically and i tried to die many times but I got away and grew stronger so i'm glad I didn't die but i'm not going to judge anyone that does because iv'e been their.

2. I don't want to die but if I die saving someone els it sounds like a good way to go out.
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I just feel like people only think of suicide as strictly a bad thing but it's fine if you end your life for good. The point is in my opinion is suicide is still suicide regardless of whatever that reason is. Sorry, if this doesn't make sense.
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I just feel like people only think of suicide as strictly a bad thing but it's fine if you end your life for good. The point is in my opinion is suicide is still suicide regardless of whatever that reason is. Sorry, if this doesn't make sense.

Huhu, bad Qualeshia, starting this discussion with a hidden agenda

I think that whether or not it's "fine" is something depending on your situation. There are fragile people close to me and if I killed myself one day I don't think they'd ever recover. Sometimes I think it'd be worth trying to keep on living, just for the sake of your family if nothing else. But then not everyone has family, or a loving one at least.
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I see it both as the same thing, personally. Either way you're ending your life in my eyes.


I agree with you!!!
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Yeah true. I had moments where I wanted to end my life. The reason why I didn't do it wasn't strictly for my family but I was scared. It takes balls to end your life for any reason. What do you mean by "hidden agenda" exactly?
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Thanks.
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Not much, just that your previous response made it seem like you had started the topic for the sake of getting to another one, ie. how suicide is perceived as a bad thing.
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Exactly how is suicide selfish and cowardly in your opinion?





"Depending upon the situation" and "can be seen as cowardly" are key phrases that I used.

When someone is committing suicide for the sake of himself/herself, alone, it is selfish by reason of the deed circulating around their own well being. When something revolves around a person's "self," it is "selfish." It should be noted that it's somewhat rare for those who wish to commit suicide to put much thought into how their deaths will impact others.

That aside, suicide can be used to escape problems, which may be relatively minor complications. Doing so can be viewed as cowardly, depending upon the problem(s) and who is assessing the suicide and formulating an opinion of it.
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Oh. I'm strictly curious though.
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Ah, I see.
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Honestly I don't think of suicide as cowardly, but rather as sad. In a sense I mean the person is usually pushed to the limits where they have given up on everything, like they are completely alone and are missing the person to show them otherwise and pull them from despair.

I do think its selfish because in the end it doesn't seem like they are thinking of the bigger picture. The ones who have people who actually care for them would be mentally affected from it if their memory was just suddenly snuffed out like that. Not to mention said loved one would be the one to find the body, the mental strain would last their entire life with that image.

Self sacrifice is suicide in a way as well, they chose to do it of their own accord. Though the difference is in most cases its a selfless act because they feel that the life they are protecting is more important than their own. In some situations they could feel that the person could do a lot of good, or that their dreams or future are more promising compared to their own. This part I have experience in since I did it twice. Do I regret it? Nope, I have a stronger dream now, but if it happened again I probably wouldn't hesitate. I tend to put their protection and well being first before my own.

Can it be selfish? It can be depending on the circumstances and who it affects. But if they know the person well enough they would know why the person chose to do it.
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Well, the term "Self sacrifice" would probably mean that you're doing it for a cause that is viewed as "great by society" and "Suicide" is when you do it because of a cause that is "Stupid in society"

Though in my opinion, both are stupid and mean the same thing, it doesn't matter if you're sacrificing your life to save the king or killing yourself because you're depressed, both are meaningless for the person who is doing it. - I guess you would get a name in the history book if you sacrificed yourself for the king though -.- Way to encourage these kind of things!
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