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Post Reply In your opinion, what is the difference between self-sacrifice and suicide?
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Posted 6/2/14

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I'm not being inconsiderate at all. doing something selfish as killing yourself is just weak.

You seem to enjoy dishing out lazy judgement. My uncle hung himself in his mid-twenties and I think it was something to do with the fact that on that side of the family we aren't intimate, emotional people and keep a stiff upper-lip in the face of adversity rather than vent and open up to each other. I don't think he ever felt that he could turn to people and had things been different he may have turned out as a different fellow. A person's nurture and environment are often hugely decisive factors and it's in similar ones to what I described - such as more introverted and stoic cultures like the Finnish and Japanese - that you find more suicides. So really, just saying that it's weak people being weak denotes a lack of willingness to think about the issue you're so outspokenly discussing.


Trying to watch my anime but emails keep poping up so yeah I am dishing out lazy judgement so I can go back to my videos... but just so I can stop getting emails you can support suicide all u want but to me its a stupid selfish thing people do to shoot past problems instead of facing them like any other person..
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True. Some people do go through many attempts to end their lives. The ones that don't go through with it actually show they are afraid to die. Yet the people that do end their lives in the end finally faced death in the end. They were solely prepared to commit suicide regardless of the reason, especially if they we're thinking about it. I know life has it's ups and downs but people have their own reasons why they do it. If there is no family or friends, it is sad, yet that person probably knows there isn't anyone to hold them back.

Just how I see it.
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Posted 6/2/14

Neriko1039 wrote:


Renegatz wrote:


Neriko1039 wrote:

I'm not being inconsiderate at all. doing something selfish as killing yourself is just weak.

You seem to enjoy dishing out lazy judgement. My uncle hung himself in his mid-twenties and I think it was something to do with the fact that on that side of the family we aren't intimate, emotional people and keep a stiff upper-lip in the face of adversity rather than vent and open up to each other. I don't think he ever felt that he could turn to people and had things been different he may have turned out as a different fellow. A person's nurture and environment are often hugely decisive factors and it's in similar ones to what I described - such as more introverted and stoic cultures like the Finnish and Japanese - that you find more suicides. So really, just saying that it's weak people being weak denotes a lack of willingness to think about the issue you're so outspokenly discussing.


Trying to watch my anime but emails keep poping up so yeah I am dishing out lazy judgement so I can go back to my videos... but just so I can stop getting emails you can support suicide all u want but to me its a stupid selfish thing people do to shoot past problems instead of facing them like any other person..


Honesty is a good thing, Neriko. You could always just say "I didn't read your post or give this topic any thought and I'm just going to repeat my mindless claims and call you a suicide-supporter because I have nothing to add to the discussion but want to have the last word."
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If you value your own life it's difficult to appreciate how easy it actually is to kill yourself if you don't. My very point is that for these people, facing life is much more difficult than facing death, so they take the second, easier option.
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Someone once told me a quote "dying is easy, living is hard" that just now caught my attention. I believe that is how it went.

A side note, I'm enjoying this conversation.
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Posted 6/2/14

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Self sacrifice is when you're actually contributing to something such as if terrorists get in a bank or something and you're the richest guy there are kids and women there the terrorist say "we want all of your stuff even your life" to you (the rich guy) and you do it..you saved people / contributed to something...

Suicide is when people think their lives are "too hard" or "worthless" and they start thinking negitave about theirself which is stupid in my opinion suicide is for people that have weak self-esteem and if you think a few little things will ruin your life that's your problem. Most of the time when people commit suicide its for one of the following...1.) Lost someone really close to you to the way you cant stand it anymore (my friends gf died and they were never seen away from eachother he loved her a lot) he finially went somewhere to help him 2.)Hate yourself for no reason 3.) Bullying 4.)Think you're worthless 5.) some people commit suicide just because of the fact that no one talks to you at school , people don't seem to like you , and you have no friends (most of the time when this occurs its not you that's the problem its most likely the people you try to hang with)......basically what im saying is suicide is for stupid people that give up way too easily..if you have a problem with what I just said tell me and i'll talk some freaking sense into you.




"is for stupid people that give up way too easily"

talk about being ignorant so people that have been depressed constant for 10-30 years and going on heavy pills that is almost on the same level as some drugs but they cannot take it anymore is weak/stupid?. This kind of people find peace in death and why should they not? we all die sooner or later why not just jump of the train earlier if you want?
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Oh shiz I logged out and everything and I was still getting emails... *looks at quotes* lol yeah okay the last comment I said my opinion that's the way I see it I could care less how want to make me think the same way as you because I already said what I wanted to say but certain people are getting butthurt because I don't support suicide? and about that "you didn't read the thread" bs actually I did you're the ones trying to make me seem bad for not supporting suicide..? its not something every agrees on I don't think suicide is a smart thing to do. therefore I dislike it and said what I said. deal with it
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Neriko1039 wrote:

Oh shiz I logged out and everything and I was still getting emails... *looks at quotes* lol yeah okay the last comment I said my opinion that's the way I see it I could care less how want to make me think the same way as you because I already said what I wanted to say but certain people are getting butthurt because I don't support suicide? and about that "you didn't read the thread" bs actually I did you're the ones trying to make me seem bad for not supporting suicide..? its not something every agrees on I don't think suicide is a smart thing to do. therefore I dislike it and said what I said. deal with it


How do you feel about sacrificing your life to save someone else's life?
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Posted 6/2/14 , edited 6/2/14

Neriko1039 wrote:

Oh shiz I logged out and everything and I was still getting emails... *looks at quotes* lol yeah okay the last comment I said my opinion that's the way I see it I could care less how want to make me think the same way as you because I already said what I wanted to say but certain people are getting butthurt because I don't support suicide? and about that "you didn't read the thread" bs actually I did you're the ones trying to make me seem bad for not supporting suicide..? its not something every agrees on I don't think suicide is a smart thing to do. therefore I dislike it and said what I said. deal with it

lol, how typically adolescent. Comes to the thread to make uncritical declarations then puts his fingers in his ears going 'lalalala' when people say his posts are retarded and abortively flings a bunch of strawmen at them.

Posted 6/2/14
Had a conversation with Riesel the other day, I told him I thought people who attempted suicide successfully are the brave ones since they're able to overcome their primitive instinct which is fear of pain; now he won't tell me painless ways to suicide... >__>

In ancient japan, suicide was seen as an honourable thing if you've done something wrong.

Self sacrifice is diff from suicide because you're dying for someone else; in suicide, you're dying for yourself (and your dignity in the case of euthanasia).
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Had a conversation with Riesel the other day, I told him I thought people who attempted suicide successfully are the brave ones since they're able to overcome their primitive instinct which is fear of pain; now he won't tell me painless ways to suicide... >__>

In ancient japan, suicide was seen as an honourable thing if you've done something wrong.

Self sacrifice is diff from suicide because you're dying for someone else; in suicide, you're dying for yourself (and your dignity in the case of euthanasia).



Wow, interesting comment. I also felt that way.
Posted 6/2/14

qualeshia3 wrote
Wow, interesting comment. I also felt that way.


I'm just never against the concept of suicide; it's their life, they should be able to do what they want with it.

I mean I would feel confused and shocked if someone close to me suicide, but I would never blame them for doing it.
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Had a conversation with Riesel the other day, I told him I thought people who attempted suicide successfully are the brave ones since they're able to overcome their primitive instinct which is fear of pain; now he won't tell me painless ways to suicide... >__>

In ancient japan, suicide was seen as an honourable thing if you've done something wrong.

Self sacrifice is diff from suicide because you're dying for someone else; in suicide, you're dying for yourself (and your dignity in the case of euthanasia).

Being able to inflict pain upon yourself is something very basic, though. We are all, from childhood onwards, capable of it. Just by itself I don't find it worthy of respect.

Good point in the second part, but I feel like if you're deliberately seeking to die, you're also doing it for yourself, not purely for another.
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Posted 6/2/14

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Had a conversation with Riesel the other day, I told him I thought people who attempted suicide successfully are the brave ones since they're able to overcome their primitive instinct which is fear of pain; now he won't tell me painless ways to suicide... >__>

In ancient japan, suicide was seen as an honourable thing if you've done something wrong.

Self sacrifice is diff from suicide because you're dying for someone else; in suicide, you're dying for yourself (and your dignity in the case of euthanasia).


I don't know if suicide is something that the "braves ones" do because usually suicide is running away from life. When you're running away you're usually scared. Those are the basics. On the other hand, ending your own life must require certain kind of toughness or bravery added with some insanity. It's normal that your mental state isn't stable if you're on the borderline of suicide.

Most of the cases in euthanasia are about running away from pain. Living in constant physical pain or psychological pain. Hospital, treatment, being on drugs all the time or on some kind of machine. Things that prevent you living a normal life. Of course these things have to be really serious.

What comes to mind about suicide in Japan "seppuku or what ever " I think it's about dignity, ego and honor added to cultural influence. If you are to commit this kind of suicide cannot it be seen as a different kind of self-sacrifice. A sacrifice to your principle.
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I like to think of suicide as a permanent fix to what are usually temporary problems.
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