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Post Reply In your opinion, what is the difference between self-sacrifice and suicide?
Posted 6/2/14 , edited 6/2/14

Renegatz wrote
Being able to inflict pain upon yourself is something very basic, though. We are all, from childhood onwards, capable of it. Just by itself I don't find it worthy of respect.

Good point in the second part, but I feel like if you're deliberately seeking to die, you're also doing it for yourself, not purely for another.


Pain inflicted in childhood is not intentional; plus once the child learns that something can cause pain, it is less likely to perform the same action again. In addition, the risk assessment part of the brain isn't fully developed until 25 yearsold. So younger people are more likely to be irrational when it comes to doing risky things.



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I don't know if suicide is something that the "braves ones" do because usually suicide is running away from life. When you're running away you're usually scared. Those are the basics. On the other hand, ending your own life must require certain kind of toughness or bravery added with some insanity. It's normal that your mental state isn't stable if you're on the borderline of suicide.

Most of the cases in euthanasia are about running away from pain. Living in constant physical pain or psychological pain. Hospital, treatment, being on drugs all the time or on some kind of machine. Things that prevent you living a normal life. Of course these things have to be really serious.

What comes to mind about suicide in Japan "seppuku or what ever " I think it's about dignity, ego and honor added to cultural influence. If you are to commit this kind of suicide cannot it be seen as a different kind of self-sacrifice. A sacrifice to your principle.


One could say the same for living; is living cowardly because the living is running away from death? I suppose we're all so used to the idea of life being a good thing, we never view death as a good thing, but what if someone views death as a positive? Who's to say they're wrong?

I don't believe suicidal thoughts are all related to insanity, most insane people would talk to themselves or hurt others...
People can attempt suicide for different reasons; even the simple fact that they can't feel connection to anyone.
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Suicide is the best thing ever. Why? Because you wouldn't get arrested for murdering.


Ah. Nobody can arrest you for ending your own life. Is that where you're getting at?


Yes.

When i was like 5 or 6 yeas old my neighborhood friend father commit suicide. The reason he killed himself is he got fired from his job. He had a lot of children, 6 of them. And his wife she doesn't work at that time.

I kind of remember his wife use to cry saying "How could you do this to me". I know what he did is unjustifiable, but he never go to the law for what he have done. Even thought he ruined 7 people life.

They are in a good place now, but they straggle for more then 10 year.
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It seems like you're dodging my point, though. Children and adults don't often deliberately hurt themselves, but it still happens. Taking risks and involuntarily being hurt is a different subject altogether. My point is that it's pretty ludicrous to argue that suicide is brave because it's admirable to be capable of causing pain to yourself, when all of us would be ready to do so to get something we truly want.

Bad example. Our present state is to be alive, choice isn't even in the equation whereas suicide entails a conscious and deliberate decision. In living you're not forfeiting/surrendering your death, but in suicide you're forfeiting your life.

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Self-sacrifice is just an excuse. I think they are just using the idea of saving someone else's life as an excuse to end theirs early.
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In your opinion, what is the difference between self-sacrifice and suicide?

Self-sacrifice is that, a sacrifice, your own life for another, a trade. It can be both selfish or altruistic. The "will" to protect.

Suicide is more "loss of will" to live


Also if you have the intention of dying regardless, then "sacrificing" yourself to save someone else, is not a sacrifice but a suicide just a different type.


1. Is suicide seen as cowardly or selfish?

IDK, maybe both, I see it as a loss of will.

2. Why are people willing to kill themselves to save a random stranger?

I don't think people are willing to kill themselves, I think they're willing to protect another without intentions of dying or disregard death because they're will to protect is stronger than their fear of death.
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In your opinion, what is the difference between self-sacrifice and suicide?

Self-sacrifice is that, a sacrifice, your own life for another, a trade. It can be both selfish or altruistic. The "will" to protect.

Suicide is more "loss of will" to live


Also if you have the intention of dying regardless, then "sacrificing" yourself to save someone else, is not a sacrifice but a suicide just a different type.


1. Is suicide seen as cowardly or selfish?

IDK, maybe both, I see it as a loss of will.

2. Why are people willing to kill themselves to save a random stranger?

I don't think people are willing to kill themselves, I think they're willing to protect another without intentions of dying or disregard death because they're will to protect is stronger than their fear of death.


Honestly couldn't have said it better myself.

In all the parts I've seen its because they lost the will to live. I have one friend who still tries to do it to this day because her living conditions are horrible from abuse. Another I have did it for a dumb reason because he was rejected by the person he liked. There are multiple scenarios for both, which can make opinions very circumstantial depending on experiences the commenter has been through.

As for the self sacrifice I found it instinctual or reflexive in a way, you don't think about it in the end you just do it. The will to protect another can be a crazy thing. I ask this in a certain situation: say if your friend was about to be stabbed by an assailant or ran over by a vehicle. Would you jump between them or push them out of the way?

You would be able to think about it now and say yes or no. But in that moment, in that small window of time is where the true decision lies.
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qualeshia3 wrote
Wow, interesting comment. I also felt that way.


I'm just never against the concept of suicide; it's their life, they should be able to do what they want with it.

I mean I would feel confused and shocked if someone close to me suicide, but I would never blame them for doing it.


True.
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Explain your opinion in great detail.


sorry sis that's not something i do very well i like things simple... so... the way i see it, suicide is killing yourself because of selfish reasons, self-sacrifice is offering yourself to be killed in place of someone else. neither is pretty, but i think there is a pretty big difference.
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I can't see a realistic scenario where you'd be sacrificing your own life in order to save someone else, any one i think of like jumping in front of a bullet or something, i guess you're not fully aware that you are sacrificing your life to save someone elses, i think it's a big difference from suicide when it's basically when you're playing a video game and you rage quit, you pull the plug or throw the controller at the wall, you lost all your faith that things will get better, i think it is VERY selfish of someone to suicide if they have people that love them or spent years taking care of them and will probably have their lives fucked over because they suicided, or if you have a kid or someone that you take care of and you suicide, that's pretty selfish in my opinion, now, if literally not a single person will care about your death and you kill yourself, it's a shame but it would be your decision at the end.
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Sogno- wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:
Explain your opinion in great detail.


sorry sis that's not something i do very well i like things simple... so... the way i see it, suicide is killing yourself because of selfish reasons, self-sacrifice is offering yourself to be killed in place of someone else. neither is pretty, but i think there is a pretty big difference.



Ah, okay.
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Suicide is more selfish than cowardly to you?
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Suicide is more selfish than cowardly to you?




Depends on how you put it, i don't know what you mean, for example, if i'm about to suicide, i hang the rope around my neck, i'm about to jump and then i back out of it because i'm scared of dying, am i a coward for not going through with it ? wouldn't it take a lot of courage in way to face what is arguably one of the scariest things known to mankind which is death ?
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I'd sacrifice myself to save or help another person, but I wouldn't commit suicide. Not really because I value other people, but more because they probably value themselves more than I value myself.

It's kind of like just killing myself would be sort of pointless. But were I to use my life to save another, it's more like I'm pulling a fast one on death by switching the life being taken for a less valuable life.
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qualeshia3 wrote:



Suicide is more selfish than cowardly to you?




Depends on how you put it, i don't know what you mean, for example, if i'm about to suicide, i hang the rope around my neck, i'm about to jump and then i back out of it because i'm scared of dying, am i a coward for not going through with it ? wouldn't it take a lot of courage in way to face what is arguably one of the scariest things known to mankind which is death ?



Being scared of dying is normal though. To actually end your life for whatever the reason is takes courage, in my eyes.
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I'd sacrifice myself to save or help another person, but I wouldn't commit suicide. Not really because I value other people, but more because they probably value themselves more than I value myself.

It's kind of like just killing myself would be sort of pointless. But were I to use my life to save another, it's more like I'm pulling a fast one on death by switching the life being taken for a less valuable life.



You would sacrifice your life to save or help someone but will not commit suicide?
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