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Are the President & American Politicians Slowly Stripping Our Rights?
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Posted 6/2/14 , edited 6/2/14
Edit: Typo in the title? Is the President** I think.

Do you believe that our President and our government is slowly stripping us of our rights?

We've seen the Patriot Act, NSA wiretapping and spying, increased airport security after 9/11, bills trying to suppress gun rights, unchecked capitalism (medical and other monster corporations), propaganda to scare Americans into wars we don't want to go into, brutal police attacks on peaceful protests (suppression of 1st ammendment rights), unchecked executive orders by the president, unchecked police and government power, FCC trying to kill net neutrality, forced universal healthcare that may or may not work, and a person can be killed or detained indefinitely without any due process of law by the president. Those are just a few examples that I am aware of as I am still rather ignorant of the full circle of what really is going on in American politics and behind the scenes.

How does a leader take total control of their country? Take away their guns first. Then freedom of speech. No protests against the government and censor of the media. Next is new domestic policy and government regulation to put its citizens at the mercy of the government. Control your healthcare and you control your people. Movement towards a common education system (common core). Being informed carries more power than any weapon; control our way of thinking by providing all of our education and means to getting information. Enact increased spying, wiretapping, and surveillance laws to monitor every aspect of our lives to prevent a revolt. And it only gets more stricter and more controlling and more invasive from there. It's happened multiple times in history; those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

With that said, I believe America is on the path of becoming something rather ugly. Our president Barack Obama made the same promises in his 2012 election that he made in 2008. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. I wouldn't trust Romney either or McCain in 08. Majority of the politicians are crooked and corrupted. They are well aware of that and know all of us don't fully understand that, so they keep getting re-elected. Who walks away happy from this? The leaders and the corporations. Who gets screwed? The American people.

So what do you think? I'm no anarchist or a conspiracy nut but I think our country needs some serious reforming and it needs to happen soon before it's too late. I simply consider myself to a be a Moderate youth concerned for his country.

All thoughts and opinions welcome, including sources from other sites. Cheers!
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Posted 6/2/14
We're already a Police State...It's just that hardly anyone notices.
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Even Princeton University recognizes that we changed from a Democracy to Oligarchy. Our votes only matter when they're in line with the wealthy. We are a plutocracy. And, as Cellar stated, we're also a police state.

Sauce:
http://www.policestateusa.com/

http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf
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The president is practically a figurehead now. But yes both of them are screwing everything over at this point.
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I knew three things about Obama in 2008.

1. I knew he would be elected.

2. I knew he would try to do a lot of good things.

3. I knew he would be completely blocked from doing most if not all of those things by Republicans.


Most people's solution to the war between the two parties is to go Libertarian, but there are many types of Libertarians, ranging from people who simply dislike both parties, to people who are living in a complete fantasy world where no one infringes on the rights of others.

Balancing things out REQUIRES spreading the wealth. It REQUIRES taking the for-profit ideology out of the educational and medical systems, AND out of Washington. As soon as you say that people scream Communism because they're too shortsighted and lazy to figure it out.

The only reason America (and probably other countries) are in crisis is that people are realizing that the "rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer" is a pretty bullshit way to live when the rich are only rich BECAUSE of the poor.

Me, I don't deal with any of this. I'm active in my local community, but I also know how to survive in the wilderness. Don't hoard, don't be a doomsday prepper. If or when it all goes to hell, I can walk straight west to the mountains and be fine for an indefinite period of time. When you can do that you realize that all of this is only in our own heads. It's a drama we take part in and watch, believing ourselves to be terminally stuck, believing it to be the "real" world.
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I find this all very interesting. As said in Haygriva's statement "As soon as you say that people scream Communism because they're too shortsighted and lazy to figure it out," I've noticed that the school systems advocate Communism as the evilest thing to exist. The philosophy behind it is not at all evil. It's unsettling to think how much of the text books are written to be pro-capitalism and Democracy when there is so much corruption and greed. We're being fed propaganda at an early age to have the mindset that certain forms of government are the root of all evil when in reality, the leader was a shitty leader.

Aside from being brainwashed early during childhood, it's humorous and also sad to see my relatives brainwashed into thinking Obama is the savior of the world. My dad, an extreme Democrat, advocates that Obama is the best thing that happened to this country and ignorantly bashes on the Republicans. Every party has their faults but it seems like there is an agenda behind this ignorant hate towards other political parties. People are missing the point of what is truly important: maintaining our liberties and rights. As soon as some politician throws abortion on the table, people lose that purpose and go bat-shit crazy over the issue, forgetting what's important.

As for the police state, in the area I live, the police are heavily corrupted and are seen on the news in frequent scandals. Our police are having sex on duty and forcing women to shake out their bras for "contraband" they don't even have. Our city incorporates tons of camera lights to steal revenue from the citizens. Police power is unchecked. Hell, you'll see articles of innocent people being gunned down because an officer "feared for his life." It's also extremely unsettling to see videos of peaceful protest and police start pepper spraying individuals simply sitting down or beating them with batons.
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CoffeeGodEddy wrote:
Aside from being brainwashed early during childhood, it's humorous and also sad to see my relatives brainwashed into thinking Obama is the savior of the world.


Ironic. It goes both ways. I'm not crazy about Obama, but it is crazy to see how many people think he is the worst guy ever. Even before he was elected president, many people were going apeshit about how awful he was.

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CoffeeGodEddy wrote:

I find this all very interesting. As said in Haygriva's statement "As soon as you say that people scream Communism because they're too shortsighted and lazy to figure it out," I've noticed that the school systems advocate Communism as the evilest thing to exist. The philosophy behind it is not at all evil. It's unsettling to think how much of the text books are written to be pro-capitalism and Democracy when there is so much corruption and greed. We're being fed propaganda at an early age to have the mindset that certain forms of government are the root of all evil when in reality, the leader was a shitty leader.

Aside from being brainwashed early during childhood, it's humorous and also sad to see my relatives brainwashed into thinking Obama is the savior of the world. My dad, an extreme Democrat, advocates that Obama is the best thing that happened to this country and ignorantly bashes on the Republicans. Every party has their faults but it seems like there is an agenda behind this ignorant hate towards other political parties. People are missing the point of what is truly important: maintaining our liberties and rights. As soon as some politician throws abortion on the table, people lose that purpose and go bat-shit crazy over the issue, forgetting what's important.

As for the police state, in the area I live, the police are heavily corrupted and are seen on the news in frequent scandals. Our police are having sex on duty and forcing women to shake out their bras for "contraband" they don't even have. Our city incorporates tons of camera lights to steal revenue from the citizens. Police power is unchecked. Hell, you'll see articles of innocent people being gunned down because an officer "feared for his life." It's also extremely unsettling to see videos of peaceful protest and police start pepper spraying individuals simply sitting down or beating them with batons.


I'm honestly just waiting for everything to fall apart like it has numerous times in history. We're so deep into it the amount of ignorance for everything else shows it. So far its one sided and that scale is going to flip right over from all the crap piling up.

Power has always been abused once one gets too much of it, there were never proper limits set on it to begin with. But then again the founding fathers never had anything like this in mind, this would be like a world of fantasy to them now. I myself can't say much though as I'm not involved in politics or anything of the sort like it.
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I don't care one bit about the politics in america, If things take a turn for the worse half my family lives in Mexico so I'll just head there
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Historically the U.S. has been atrocious at protecting rights and liberties, especially in the 20th century. Irish, Chinese, Italian, black, and Japanese people, regardless if they were citizens or not have had their rights taken away, and even during the communist push by workers during the early 1900s-1930s, politicians chose business and the rich over the average working class American (true fact; the first american operation run for a U.S. bomber wasn't in war, but rather to disperse a miner strike in Colorado) . During the 40s and into the Cold War, the United States had numerous communist witch hunts, and anyone associated with the name, even if they were not a communist or socialist, was immediately blacklisted both privately and publicly. The United States has always been like this, it's just people are upset now because the pendulum swing is returning to their front porch.
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I'm just counting down to another Civil War, and I've been doing so since 7th or 8th grade. Social Studies class sparked it. It's about time, really. Actually, I go so far as to say that we're overdue. We've only had one, and it's been almost two hundred years since then. For such a young country, it's odd.

I'm fully aware that there's alot of hush-hush going on, like the United States' involvement in the Eugenics Movement, which paved way to Nazi Eugenics. Knowing that eugenics remained active in the US until the late '70s is creepy.

Immigration Act of 1917
Immigration Act of 1924
Buck v. Bell (1927)
North Carolina Eugenics Board (1933-1977)
Euthanasia Society of America (1938-present) [see link below]
http://www.csustan.edu/history/faculty/weikart/killing.htm
Skinner v. Oklahoma (1942)
Perez v. Sharp (1948)
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965
Loving v. Virginia (1967)
The Settlement of Poe v. Lynchburg Training School and Hospital of 1981
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_depopu28.htm
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Honestly, I couldn't care less if the government knows what I do, since I'm not doing anything illegal. As for gun rights, we never had them in the first place. In fact, private citizens were never meant to own guns, but rather hired militants were required to own them, it's just that it was taken out of context and misunderstood.
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I don't like how the President is passing his own laws without anyone's approval it completely bypasses the checks and balances system and no one is man enough to call for a impeachment. If any other president did what Obama is doing you know they would be impeached so fast. It's not racism, it is his defiance of how the country is supposed to operate that is making me angry. "I don't like how you guys keep not passing my laws... therefore I am going to enforce any law I want!" He definitely would do that and much more if he weren't afraid of backlash. $15 minimum wage? Say hello to $12 happy meals and $9 per gallon gas. Oh, you been at the job for 10 years and managed to crawl to $13 an hour? Well, sorry now you're stuck with children who don't know the meaning of work you will be training to replace you while they pay you the same wage as them. So many people on government assistance like food stamps it's just ridiculous... My mother was 16 when she had me and immediately got a job as nursing assistant and raised me on her own money (her own apartment and all that) with zero government assistance. People claiming they can't feed their kids they are single parent are full of crap. It's 100% possible they are just lazy. We need a president who has a brain and not lead us to ruin in just 6 years. Who here had their health plan INCREASE in price while DECREASE in actual coverage? Affordable health care? Haha.


Honestly, I couldn't care less if the government knows what I do, since I'm not doing anything illegal. As for gun rights, we never had them in the first place. In fact, private citizens were never meant to own guns, but rather hired militants were required to own them, it's just that it was taken out of context and misunderstood.


Incorrect, the right to bare arms is to allow the citizens to control the government, not the government to control the citizens. If the government were to get out of hand the right to bare arms is saying the citizens have the right to form a militia and combat the government if things got out of hand. It basically means the government cannot stop the citizens from owning any guns because doing so is disarming the citizens to show the citizens the government is the dictator and to not question them.
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Short answer yes, but it did not start with Obama, this has been going on for a long time.
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Incorrect, the right to bare arms is to allow the citizens to control the government, not the government to control the citizens. If the government were to get out of hand the right to bare arms is saying the citizens have the right to form a militia and combat the government if things got out of hand. It basically means the government cannot stop the citizens from owning any guns because doing so is disarming the citizens to show the citizens the government is the dictator and to not question them.


False; The original reasoning behind the bear arms was because of the British continuing to have troops in the U.S. even after the American Revolution ended, they were mean't to defend against a possible attack from foreign powers still on domestic soil.
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