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I never said people had an excuse for doing what they did, and how can you seriously say the sentence "invalidating the experiences of people who were using that hashtag" without laughing, what world do we live in where important discussions are held using hashtags ?
you could say the whole silly nature of using a hashtag to discuss such important matter created the #YesAllMen crap you despise, I don't think #YesAllMen was necessary, but i don't think #YesAllWomen was necessary either, both are great examples of idiotic behaviour of the masses, a complete disrespect to the actual people that died at that massacre by turning that into your silly little gender battle.

And i'm glad that we can meet in the middle and realize that those type of discussions are a dead end, the problem with the world is assholes, so please, why not focus on how to get rid of assholes or what makes a person become an asshole ? we're all born as innocent babies, except for the people that are born with psychotic traits due to how their brain is wired, and that's infortunate, but it's something people rarely talk about, whenever those tragedies happen, people talk about gun control, genre battles, racism, homophobia, it's like we're all dancing around the actual cause instead of talk about it.



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Jeez, I don't know why I keep coming back to this thread, someone on page one ticked me off royally, but I kept reading, then outerheaven139 and KidStealth made me laugh and restored my faith in humanity, then a day or two later, I came back, read the rest of the thread, now I'm royally ticked off again. Perhaps I'm a masochist or something. I do know that the super extreme feminists have me considering turning away from 3D and flying the "2D for life" flag for my own safety.


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Posted 6/4/14

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Sexism is an issue, racism is an issue, trans-phobia is an issue. Each have a right of its own. Feminist do not just exist in first world countries, they are also in the third world countries you speak of "whining about sexism".

There are also people in those countries whining about feminists whining about sexism, which sounds all too familiar


Cause I claimed they didn't exist anywhere outside of a first world country? Also. point it out to me where I claimed feminists were 'whining about sexism.' Just said that 'problems' like dress codes and so on are not comparable to women who are denied even going to school. And it's true. It's not. It's a much bigger issue that women aren't even allowed to get an education than it is that a woman can't wear a certain kind of shirt to class.

Everyone has issues, this is obvious, but in a first world country you are not oppressed for being a woman.



You wrote a lot, but I did read it all. First off, thanks for responding calmly despite my original response being rather irrational. It's an issue that can get to me.

My post could have been explained better, but it's not really saying that cisgender women do not face problems, because they certainly do. There is still sexism going around, and it should be addressed and taken care of. However, I do not think cisgender women in first world countries are oppressed based on their sex alone. Also, I know they're loud, they make just over half of the population and in recent years they've become the majority of voters as well, cisgender women have a bigger voice than ever before and that's good.

Your Nigeria point, my criticism is more leaning towards understanding that as a person living in America or so on, you should know that even though you face issues you still have it better than many people in other countries. Take Christians in America for instance, some will say they're being oppressed for their faith, but they don't really know anything about actual oppression seeing as some Christians in other countries will be murdered for their faith. I get not everyone has exposure to these issues though.

When I was in middle school and experienced my first real fit of dysphoria was when I got all my cursing God out, haha.

Eh, your suggestions are all nice and good. They probably would work for some transgender people, but my dysphoria is too horrible to even think about getting on camera while I'm still like this. When I transition I want to remain stealth for personal reasons, so I would not be able to do what Laverne does. At most I would support a LGBT group. Thanks for the advice again, though I'm not sure it will work out with my family because they are extremely hateful towards LGBT groups, but without a doubt I will be getting away from them as soon as I can.
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The most important part of your statement was the part where you said, "or what makes a person become an asshole ?" There are many factors that can influence people. If we look at all the mass killings, shooting sprees, etc. where we have actual first hand information like a diary, a manifesto, etc. the killers almost all had certain things in common. They all felt that life, people, or circumstance had unfairly denied them things they should have. These things were tied into their perception of their personal identity. Basically, they were unable to fulfill the ideal of what a man should be in their mind, so they sought ways to lash out. Our society has expectations for masculinity and manhood that are toxic and they do not mix well with someone who has a hard time getting by due to social ineptitude, mental illness, physical disability, etc.

I was initially diagnosed as autistic and then they decided no, I had ADD. My symptom set does not accurately match that either. I have severe social issues. They make it hard for me to communicate with normal people and also make it hard for me to understand normal people. Fortunately, I am very gifted in some areas of mental function and I was able to run a series of social experiments over years (this did not endear me to my contemporaries, I assure you) to figure out enough social cues and body language that I can now decipher it in very nearly real time so that I can fake being normal. Most of the time it works flawlessly now. The looks and reactions when I slip up can be pretty intense though. The point of this paragraph is to say that I can understand how our societal ideals can negatively impact a person from firsthand experience. Most people will not be able and/or willing to do what I did to overcome their issues. To prevent these things from happening we need to foster a less exclusive set of cultural ideals in order to open more paths to success. A cornered rat bites. You can train a rat not to bite, but there are an awful lot of rats and the training doesn't always stick. It's easier to make it so that the rats don't get cornered.
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That's like saying if there should be a straight pride.

Just kidding- I agree. We all face social issues. We do blame all men for going against feminism. When in fact there are a lot men who just want straight up equality, and are feminists. But saying "not all men" does exclude the ones who do think this is a "Man's World".

Equality, man. That's all we need. We are all human beings. I wish we could love each other or at least mind our own business.
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So from what I've got from your statement is that women exist only as sex objects and will only be sex objects as long as the dress in an unconventional style, and that if women get raped then its their fault instead of the one, you know, RAPING HER. Its not a matter of teaching women how not to get raped its teaching men not to rape. Have you ever thought that women dress the way they do because they like that with no sexual agenda in mind. If she wants to be more revealing more power to her. And tell me what of those men who go out shirtless huh what about them are you going to tell them to put a shirt on. NO and you know why its because you have a double standard.

This text is some of the most misogynistic filth I have ever seen. It not only is a rape apologist, but also ignores the legitimate struggle women go through every day. Have you ever thought that the reason most women aren't in positions of authorities is because maybe those men at the top wanna keep women down. Also Get Money Disregard Females is the most down right offensive thing I have heard on here. Scratch that third most offensive. Female value goes down as they age and Men have money, women have vaginas are respectively the second and first most offensive thing on here. And another thing "women have to disregard their rights to have children" are you serious. If a women wants to have a family and be a business women than she has a right to. She shouldn't have to get her tubes tied of such if she wants a high paying job. Your post is garbage and you sir a misogynistic to the core.

Also I find it kind of funny that you spout this misogynistic rant while having a female as your avatar. If you are so anti-women change it to a man or something, but you wont because, again you see women as sex objects. They are objects and are meant to be treated as such not as functioning members of the human race.



What you got from my statements is the opportunity to White Knight and totally write women off from their own responsibilities. The world is a shitty place, women take advantage of men as much as the other way around. If a woman lets herself get raped it IS part her fault. It's our own responsibility as human beings to protect whats dear to us with deadly force, being the weaker of the sexes; You'd think women would take the initiative to protect themselves. Not expect society to create a Eutopia that will never exist. Who's the one really disrespecting women here? The man who wants them to own up to their decisions or the one treating them like children that need to be coddled?


Last I checked, men don't need to be reminded not to rape. You're writing off men as idiots by saying this including yourself, or is it personal experience? "Oh wow... That girl looks soooo hawt maybe I should rap...*looks at sign, 'rape is bad'* Oh shit, maybe that's not a very good idea" Can't say the last time I was seriously attracted to a woman, did I have to be reminded NOT to rape.

I thank you for your gracious comments on the factual quotes I take from life. The facts sometimes hurt; Men DO have the money, and Women DO have the vagina. Womens value in the reproduction pool starts to drop off at about 30, fertility rates start dropping etc... That's when you'll find most party girls scramble and try to find that one reliable mate to feed her resources for the rest of her life. Each year gained after 30 easily drops points in the general pool; And GENERALLY (remember that magical word?) men gain more resources and skills as they get older.

If a woman wants to be a business woman AND a mother, that means she's either doing both half assed, or bad. Funny you think somehow one can juggle doing both. I have absolutely zero problem with a woman wanting to do one or the other but both is being selfish and irresponsible. Child neglect is a very real abuse that millions of children face every day. That's the problem with equal pay social rally calls, women in general want to juggle both. Leaving work early, taking time off for the kids etc... Takes time away from the business. Any smart business owner would look at these things and consider the costs. It's not about, "I have kids so I'll do everything in mediocrity" It's about making more money than you're worth for the employer.

Misogynistic? Nah I love women, my mom is a great woman who was driven to work thanks to the, "feminist movement" in the 60's and 70's driving down labor costs due to the massive influx in cheap labor. I'm just tired of this exact shit that you post, belittling women to irresponsible children. Incapable of making better choices for themselves.

Also, remember those rapists you have to remind not to rape? Guess the gender of the majority that raised those sickos... Oh, but that's misogynistic to talk about... It's not womens fault they portray most of the violence towards children. Of course not. Of course my elementary school had 50/50 male to female teacher ratio's right? Right... because women aren't responsible for anything they do in society. The boys that grow up to really hate females, they were just blessed with female nurturing and love in their childhood right? Not this fascist agenda to criminalize boys and men as insensitive brutes who just want a beer and a blowjob.
Posted 6/5/14
Well, that got interesting. Not gonna pick posts and reply individually, but I'd just like to leave an interesting link:

Feminism and the Disposable Man

It's an interesting viewpoint against the social media bombardment about the injustice and oppression women experience everyday.

Enjoy.
Posted 6/5/14

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(1) If a woman lets herself get raped it IS part her fault. It's our own responsibility as human beings to protect whats dear to us with deadly force, being the weaker of the sexes; You'd think women would take the initiative to protect themselves. Not expect society to create a Eutopia that will never exist.



(2) If a woman wants to be a business woman AND a mother, that means she's either doing both half assed, or bad. Funny you think somehow one can juggle doing both. I have absolutely zero problem with a woman wanting to do one or the other but both is being selfish and irresponsible. Child neglect is a very real abuse that millions of children face every day.


1. A woman does not "let" herself get raped; it wouldn't be rape if she did. How should women protect themselves? Should they just assume the worst in all men?

2. And men who want to work and be fathers are...?
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1. A woman does not "let" herself get raped; it wouldn't be rape if she did. How should women protect themselves? Should they just assume the worst in all men?

2. And men who want to work and be fathers are...?
I am pretty sure dyme420 is just like the blog 'hipster racist' being completely exaggerated and satirical about issues to get a point across. No one can honestly be that stupid.
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I'm kind of grossed out that people still think the way a woman dresses gives the male an excuse to sexually assault her. Us girls have days where our self esteem is absolutely crap and we decide to buy a push up bra or two to look more feminine. It's not sexually objectifying ourselves. If we REALLY wanted to do that, we'd working for Playboy or go to a strip joint. We're going back in the times where women were criticized for showing their ankles. It's disturbing.

There's places to go if you want to get some action. Really?

And I'm sick of not being able to mow my lawn shirtless in 90 degree weather. Why the hell can the fat ass next door show all his sweaty man boobs for 2 hours mowing the lawn and I can't?

I seriously hate you people.

God damnit.
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bravostribe1015 wrote:

1. A woman does not "let" herself get raped; it wouldn't be rape if she did. How should women protect themselves? Should they just assume the worst in all men?

2. And men who want to work and be fathers are...?
I am pretty sure dyme420 is just like the blog 'hipster racist' being completely exaggerated and satirical about issues to get a point across. No one can honestly be that stupid.


Not so sure about that tbh, considering the sorts of misogyny we've seen in cases such as the UCSB shooter...

dyme420 and Shukuzen are consciously or unconsciously trying to bait you I'll tell you that much. Unfortunately, no one ever gets anywhere in these crazy situations on any forum or comment section given how impersonal everything is and the fact their minds are essentially made up to ignore everything they read here--take it from me, I have tried many times and always failed :(.
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.... No one can honestly be that stupid.


I think you may have too much faith in humanity. For example, apparently there are people who still believe the earth is flat despite empirical evidence to the contrary.

Posted 6/5/14

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I think you may have too much faith in humanity. For example, apparently there are people who still believe the earth is flat despite empirical evidence to the contrary.



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I think you may have too much faith in humanity. For example, apparently there are people who still believe the earth is flat despite empirical evidence to the contrary.


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bravostribe1015 wrote:


dyme420 wrote:


(1) If a woman lets herself get raped it IS part her fault. It's our own responsibility as human beings to protect whats dear to us with deadly force, being the weaker of the sexes; You'd think women would take the initiative to protect themselves. Not expect society to create a Eutopia that will never exist.



(2) If a woman wants to be a business woman AND a mother, that means she's either doing both half assed, or bad. Funny you think somehow one can juggle doing both. I have absolutely zero problem with a woman wanting to do one or the other but both is being selfish and irresponsible. Child neglect is a very real abuse that millions of children face every day.


1. A woman does not "let" herself get raped; it wouldn't be rape if she did. How should women protect themselves? Should they just assume the worst in all men?

2. And men who want to work and be fathers are...?




Wow some actual discussion and not attacks on my character.


1) Women lets herself get raped by knowing there's men out there double her size who could subdue a woman in an instant. How do you defend against that? With deadly force as I stated. Gun, knife... if those things scare you ( i know.. women. ) there's plenty of non-lethal options. But in my opinion a man that rapes deserves death by his chosen victim.

I don't jump in my car and not put on my seat belt, get in an accident and then ponder to the EMT, why my legs are over there on the road and I'm here on the gurney; That is LETTING myself get dismembered. It's called taking steps to prepare for the worst. The fact that you ask , "How should women protect themselves?" means I have more respect and faith in women, their strength and intelligence.


2) Fathers DON'T PRODUCE BREAST MILK and the BONDING between child and mother that forms from breast feeding. Fathers also don't have to take maternity leave to have that baby, losing overall profits for the business or businesses he's employed at.

Now, if the woman is the bread winner in the family and the father can stay home and raise the child, sure. But how many nuclear families do you know have worked out that way? This is an exception to the generalization. You know what a generalization is yeah?

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Wow some actual discussion and not attacks on my character.


1) Women lets herself get raped by knowing there's men out there double her size who could subdue a woman in an instant. How do you defend against that? With deadly force as I stated. Gun, knife... if those things scare you ( i know.. women. ) there's plenty of non-lethal options. But in my opinion a man that rapes deserves death by his chosen victim.

I don't jump in my car and not put on my seat belt, get in an accident and then ponder to the EMT, why my legs are over there on the road and I'm here on the gurney; That is LETTING myself get dismembered. It's called taking steps to prepare for the worst. The fact that you ask , "How should women protect themselves?" means I have more respect and faith in women, their strength and intelligence.


2) Fathers DON'T PRODUCE BREAST MILK and the BONDING between child and mother that forms from breast feeding. Fathers also don't have to take maternity leave to have that baby, losing overall profits for the business or businesses he's employed at.

Now, if the woman is the bread winner in the family and the father can stay home and raise the child, sure. But how many nuclear families do you know have worked out that way? This is an exception to the generalization. You know what a generalization is yeah?



Instead of saying "Oh, women should just carry weapons to protect themselves from men," maybe you should be thinking, "How can we change society so that women don't have to live in such fear of men that they need to be carrying weapons on them at all times?"

What about a girl who's raped by a family member? How can they protect themselves?

Do you carry weapons on you at all times to protect yourself from men double your size? Why not? It's called being prepared for the worst, isn't it?

What if the person committing the rape threatens the women with deadly force? What does she do then?

Maybe you need to sit back and think about why you're suggesting that rape is the problem of the victim and not the person committing the act. Rape shouldn't be an everyday worry of anyone's life. A women should not be told to just "carry weapons and protect yourself". She should be free to live her life in the same safety and security that any man enjoys (Yes, this is a generalization as well). She should not have the additional fear of rape simply because she is a women.

As far as attacks on your character, I will resist simply because I do not see any character in you at all.
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I'm kind of grossed out that people still think the way a woman dresses gives the male an excuse to sexually assault her. Us girls have days where our self esteem is absolutely crap and we decide to buy a push up bra or two to look more feminine. It's not sexually objectifying ourselves. If we REALLY wanted to do that, we'd working for Playboy or go to a strip joint. We're going back in the times where women were criticized for showing their ankles. It's disturbing.

There's places to go if you want to get some action. Really?

And I'm sick of not being able to mow my lawn shirtless in 90 degree weather. Why the hell can the fat ass next door show all his sweaty man boobs for 2 hours mowing the lawn and I can't?

I seriously hate you people.

God damnit.



I totally agree, it's a crime you can't mow your lawn topless.

See that's the problem, it's not about think. When people are attracted to something they desire, they feel, before they think. That split second something or someone extremely appealing catches your eye you whip your head around, that's a strong feel moment. For males, in general; Seeing more skin triggers these responses. Triggering the wrong man at the wrong time could obviously cause trouble, am I wrong?

But you ARE sexually objectifying yourself. Self esteem should not be fueled by vain ventures. Buying a pushup bra promotes larger breasts, promoting fertility. That's using sexuality in all the wrong ways.. "I really don't feel up to par today... Well at least I'm pretty! Teehee~". No, I want you to love yourself for who you are, not the mask you wear.


Women have do have the right to dress pretty much as they please. Hell, here in my state it's perfectly legal for you to mow your lawn with your top off. Which I have absolutely no problem with, just know there's always a risk you take when you display lots of skin.


What I'm advocating, while I'll admit my original post was fueled by some of the posts on the first page, is for women to be aware of these risks and act accordingly.

Like to show some skin? Awesome. You should probably also know how to defend yourself.
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