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MLP fans are just losers, who can't think father then their nose.


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I think pretty much everybody hates on MLP fans, not just anime fans. Generally, people just don't like bronies, no matter what those people like. I personally do not have an opinion on bronies. I certainly do not like MLP, though. It's a show made for kids(little girls, specifically), and so it is geared for that audience. A majority of anime is made for older audiences. It more likely that most people are going to like the show(s) that are geared toward people of their maturity.
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I think I might have some insight into the OP question of why the hate towards MLP from anime fans. Firstly, I'll briefly explain my background. I'm a brony, I started watching the show because of a YouTube Personality, Hannah Hart. Since then I've made MLP a large percentage of my daily life. I've written Sunset Shimmer and Trixie human/pony fanfic, but would dare not share it with anyone, ever. I also love anime, cartoons, comic books and anthropology.

I see MLP the cartoon as a great show, sharing great ideals for young girls to build upon that differ from the standard "how to be a girl" majority of shows in the same genre. The fandom for MLP though, is something completely different. On the surface we see the standard "girl cartoon" wrapper and males of all ages identifying themselves with the brand. You might see where the confusion would arise.

One of the posts here brought up a good point about "intended" audiences. Most of the "public eye" anime can come across as male oriented. Even Sailor Moon could be mistaken to be male audience "intended" unless one looks a little more closely. Though, with Sailor Moon I'm sure most males wouldn't cause to much of a stir towards the male fandom as it involves looking at human girls in skirts, fighting.

This leads me to another good post here that mentioned the sexuality of a show. Humans love to love, and they love to sex. Some minds place love and sex in the same box, others place them in two different boxes according to their personal ideals. I'd love to see the numbers on this, but most people watch a show because it "turns them on". Sometimes this affect is sexual based, other times, it is protection based, comfort based, romantic feeling (not the same as sexual) based, and fear based. This is why most people like to scale their taste in shows with their age. According to these types, you watch shows that are parallel to ones age. Sometimes we see an exciting anomaly such as parents watching the shows with toddlers or children, but that is a different topic.

What does this tell us about the OP question? I believe it means that cross pollination is awkward because of our sexual nature as humans. This would also explain the "cloppers" and rule 34 content. And if you take my second paragraph and forth, you can see why the rule 34 content is viewed as crossing a line for some. I could explain why this is the same and yet different line as loli rule 34 content another time. Taking a step back, anime fans have real human emotions towards their favorite characters, and within their fandom this is human for human interactions. Outside of the fandoms you find topics like "how could you feel for a 2D object?" Again, a different topic all together.

This is a lot of information on human thought and MLP as a show but what about the fandom battles? Why does it seem to be on a biblical scale of love and hate? Well, because of just that, it is on biblical war logic. One side says it is junk, the other love it. Half of the opposing side says "stop it" very aggressively, as it is in their nature. In response, the MLP fandom says no, and from this they grow an even fonder love as it becomes a "forbidden love". Then, you have the Half of the MLP fandom that love so much that I can't help but share it with others who don't understand it. The response to these actions are not that different from those that have been "loved to death" by religious fandoms. Religion has some powerful and passionate fans as well that just so happen to carry the same ideal of MLP that, "sharing is caring".

For the MLP, sharing is something from the heart so it is hard to see how it could be damaging. Just like the ideals of religion where sharing god's love is for the sake of their soul, an action based out of love. In answer to the OP question, why the hate from something that seems to be so alike in nature? I would say because of misconceptions of the show and the fandom's bad apples that act out of merely blind love.

Enjoy what you love.
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I think pretty much everybody hates on MLP fans, not just anime fans. Generally, people just don't like bronies, no matter what those people like. I personally do not have an opinion on bronies. I certainly do not like MLP, though. It's a show made for kids(little girls, specifically), and so it is geared for that audience. A majority of anime is made for older audiences. It more likely that most people are going to like the show(s) that are geared toward people of their maturity.

That's the case indeed, I'm just wondering why more anime fans don't seem to be an exception to that rule, given that pretty much everybody who doesn't watch it finds anime to be childish or weird in one way or another. I figured based on some similarities in content and a shared experience of being misjudged by outsiders would be grounds for more understanding.

I think it's a general societal intolerance and disgust towards the notion of adult men enjoying a show originally aimed at female children (if you notice, female bronies don't really get any flak from people), because it's a total affront to traditions and cultures we still hold dear in most of the world.

All of this aside, I'd expect anyone who watches MLP and doesn't enjoy it to have a similar judgement to you. Though most adults can enjoy a kid's book/film/cartoon/game or two, they typically won't enjoy most of them.
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Like most other fandoms I am not a part of, if I am not in it, I hear next to nothing about it. If any of my friends are secret Bronies in their houses, they are keeping it more secret than their sexual orientations, so I have not had to deal with any friends trying to turn me into one, if they are ones.
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What an excellent post. I often similarly compare fandoms to religions, but I think it's most true of MLP preachers - due to the simple fact that many bronies are just regular dudes who were initially hostile to the rise of MLP in popularity among males, yet eventually had the curiosity to watch some and realized that they liked it. Same as with anime, as someone of black ehtnic roots, for most of my life I had no interest for what I saw as an art form idealizing white features and that generally seemed to be full of stereotypes and disdain for everything outside the pure white princess ideal. It's after trying these things and discovering what they really were and how cool they could be, that I thought to myself "damn, there are so many people out there like how I used to be. If only they gave these commonly misunderstood things a go they might unlock a whole new aspect of their personality like I did". And hence comes the risk of entering preacher mode and irritating people by trying to persuade them to try things out that they are hostile to or have no interest in trying.

Not sure if this is exactly what you're inferring, but yes - I think it's predictable that if a bunch of people of one gender are watching something primarily featuring characters of the other gender, outsiders will immediately think of their appreciation in a sexual context. Just about sums up human cynicism though maybe, as you suggest, it's just people forming their judgements about things through personal experiences.

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All about that anime doe
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I like the show (as you know Renegatz), but recently I have started to dislike crossovers. Especially when it involves Kill La Kill.
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There's an anime store a couple towns over from mine, and the owner put out flyers for a "midwest bronyfest". So I was under the impression that mlp and anime got along just fine. Personally, I'm far more otaku than brony. But it's a cute show. Pinkie Pie is a fantastic character, and Apple Bloom is just as kawaii as anything from Japan.
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anime > pony shit that has been extra cancerous ever since lauren faust left
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Considering my best friend is a brony, I think I should tread carefully on this topic
Anyway, to start of, there are huge differences between anime and MLP, most notable is the targeted age group. Now, anime has many different genres and philosophies, so of course not all fall under this category, but anime is generally for more mature age groups, and (sorry girls) usually males. Now...on the flip side, MLP sure as hell looks like it's targeted group is young females, but considering I have never seen it before, perhaps I am wrong.
For example, as a young male, I would feel extremely uncomfortable and displeased with watching a magical girl anime with a targeted audience of young girls. And while I know there are people who enjoy it, and while I respect their tastes and deciions, I do not find it any less strange.

Next...the dreaded fandoms. While I am sure we can all agree there is horrible, horrible things created by both anime and MLP fans, we must still compare the two. Now, the majority of "unmentionable" things created by fans of anime generally consist of a humanoid figure participating in..uh..sinful acts, which is understandable for someone to be attracted to which because it is something of a human. Now, I cannot understand AT ALL the attractions the MLP fandom has to the characters of their show being portrayed in similar acts, because their are animals, and not humans, so there should not be any unconscious attraction taking place.

So...in summary while I respect the decisions of others to enjoy what they enjoy, it does not make it any less strange.


Alright, to start with, people liking things outside their demographics is nothing new. The majority of anime fans I know react very positively to things like Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, and Revolutionary Girl Utena, things which were all directed toward young girls.

Meanwhile, in western cultures there's been a notion for a long time now among producers and executives that little girls cannot understand and are not interested in complex stories or deep characters or well written humor or decent action or any of the other things that make a show good, and thus most girls' shows in the west have generally ranged from pointless drivel to eyeball-clawingly bad. Lauren Faust rejected this notion and designed the fourth generation of MLP to be enjoyed by people; it's definitely childish, it's definitely girly, but it's also pretty damn good and thus instead of being a half-hour toy ad or something to distract your daughter for a while, it's something that families can share and honestly enjoy together like Faust intended.

The unintended side-effect of this is that other people enjoy it too; instead of just parents and older siblings of the target demographic, anybody with enough curiosity and not too much shame regarding traditional societal expectations can watch it online, and a large fraction of them will enjoy it. The millions-strong fandom we see today really took off when some idiots wrote vitriolic, poorly-researched articles on how racist and sexist and stupid the new series was going to be, and a bunch of people on 4chan decided that anything people hated this much must at least be worth laughing at, but then discovered that they genuinely liked it, which in turn caused people to investigate to see what all the fuss was about and getting trapped in turn.

As for why people like it so much? Well, for a lot of teens and college students, it's the first time they've been "allowed" to enjoy a kids' show after years of being very concerned with appearing to be mature and avoiding anything childish. And for a lot of western adults, this is their first experience with the light, slice-of-life type show that's common in anime and popular with people who need a break from their serious business, but rare in the States. And MLP might not be the best at either of those things, might even come across as sub-par to people who are used to that kind of thing in anime, but for a significant fraction of the american population it's their first decent experience with such things.

Plus the fandom is, compared to every other fandom I've observed at any length, extremely creative, welcoming, and supportive, on top of a strong tendency toward charity work and such; there are a lot of people who consider the show itself decent but not great, but absolutely love the community that's grown because of it.

On the less pleasant subject of pornography? People have actually done studies on the subject, and roughly 4.3% of MLP fanart falls in the 'explicit' or 'questionable' categories combined, roughly equivalent to things like Pokemon (and well below things like Kim Possible, which has about a 19.3% explicit rate). More than 95% of pony fanart is completely clean, and bronies in general are much better at keeping the material that is not safe for children behind nsfw filters and out of safesearch results than any other group I've encountered.

As for that minority that is producing or viewing pony-based pornography? I certainly wouldn't join them (asexuality ftw) but I can't really object to their behaviors. The problem with bestiality isn't the physical shape, it's the fact that an animal is incapable of giving consent. If the pony in question has human level intelligence and personality, then it falls in the category of xenophilia and isn't any more objectionable than porn involving any other fictional sentients (orcs, elves, aliens, demons...). And it's a lot less gross to me than the porn made of characters who are canonically underage in most animes; all of the main cast are in the range of grad student to small business owner, and thus pretty definitely adults.

Overall I think most of the hate is just from people following trends. There's some people who reflexively hate anything that becomes popular and then don't know why. There's the hipsters who decide to hate it because a lot of people tell them it's good. There's journalists and pundits who have no idea what's going on and don't care to research it so they figure they can pull a few laughs out of calling bronies socially stunted, sexually deviant, fat, and/or neckbeards. There's the people who see those jokes, and who know even less about what's going on, but who like keeping all their stereotypes in one place so they mash together the 'fat neckbeard watching mlp' with the 'fat neckbeard whinging on about the friendzone'. There's the 14 year old tumblr "feminists" who see those stereotypes mashed together and figure they can get a few thousand notes out of an obviously fabricated horror story about how they were attacked by a "brony." And then there's the thousands more people who read those horror stories, take them as gospel, and come to the logical conclusion that since everything they've heard about bronies is terrible, bronies must all be terrible. Most of the hate these days is the result of people four or five steps removed from any actual information who don't bother with thinking much when they could just drift along with the hivemind.

Honestly I miss the early days, when people just instabanned you for mentioning ponies in a non-pony forum because they were sick of hearing about how great this new show was.
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I'll just say this...I have watched MLP, the new Series. And actually up until the Season where Twilight got her wings...


she got her wings?? i didn't even know.. i thought there was only the 2 seasons .. wwhaaaat sounds like i have some catching up to do

hmmm well the only problem i have with MLP is people who look down on the fans. I mean what's so bad about liking a cute little show about ponies and friendship? and magic? and singing?

lol but i'm a girl and & i work with children & i've always loved cartoons & horses so of course i would like it... but in the end it doesn't matter where you're coming from, it's not a problem to like it. Now if a fan is going around being all perverted about it, that's when it's a problem.

looking down on people who like MLP is the same as people looking down on anime fans because they like anime

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x-Cellar_Door-x wrote:

I'll just say this...I have watched MLP, the new Series. And actually up until the Season where Twilight got her wings...


she got her wings?? i didn't even know.. i thought there was only the 2 seasons .. wwhaaaat sounds like i have some catching up to do


Yessiree! I believe that it occurred during the 3rd Season finale; someone correct Me if I'm wrong.
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Yessiree! I believe that it occurred during the 3rd Season finale; someone correct Me if I'm wrong.


wjhaaaat x2 stop spoiling it for me lol but i didn't have to click the spoiler ofc

dang when did they even make a third season... i am so out of the loop haha

well anyway here's a pony i made with a pony-generator thingy on deviantART



obviously heavily influenced by Nightmare Moon, who happens to be my favorite lol

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x-Cellar_Door-x wrote:



Yessiree! I believe that it occurred during the 3rd Season finale; someone correct Me if I'm wrong.


wjhaaaat x2 stop spoiling it for me lol but i didn't have to click the spoiler ofc

dang when did they even make a third season... i am so out of the loop haha

well anyway here's a pony i made with a pony-generator thingy on deviantART



obviously heavily influenced by Nightmare Moon, who happens to be my favorite lol



Hahaha, gomenasai My Friend! Yep, I believe this past was Season 4, so She's had a whole Season of being Princess by now. Don't feel too out of the loop; I'm sure You're no more out of the loop than I am...


I like Your Pony too, kinda looks like Luna's had Amaterasu cast on Her.
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