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Posted 8/21/14

Jsybird2532 wrote:

Lethal Injection is simply ridiculous and an overpriced way to get the job done. It may have been humane, but sodium thiopental, the drug used for anesthesia before lethal drugs are used is now impossible to get for lethal injection in the USA, making the whole process a bit cruel and unusual too considering the alternatives they use.

So to be frank, we should be using simpler methods--with all the technology available to us, there's gotta be a way to do this nearly instantaneously. Even if you're not going to do research into some method to simply shut off the brain instantaneously that they have yet to figure out, rapid crushing at incredible forces with industrial equipment or vaporization at ridiculously high temperatures comes to mind (as either of these processes will completely destroy your brain in the course of miliseconds, albeit until we have fusion power in reactors that burn as hot as a star, I could also see the vaporization idea being overtly expensive as well). Unfortunately tho with both of those ideas, you wouldn't have a corpse to bury. Due to that, I'd recommend methods like turning the person's cranium into swiss cheese or decapitation.

But they need greater controls on the death penalty as well. Absolute things like video and anecdotal evidence from multiple individuals and a police officer should be required, as you can't rescind a death penalty that has been carried out.

Another interesting alternative to the death penalty--if the person is a scientist or capable mechanically, send them on a suicide mission to Mars or elsewhere in space to get scientific data. You'd kill two birds with one stone that way!


I agree with all of these points, especially with the requirement for evidence being more thorough since one you take someone's life, you can't give it back. I think any form of death that isn't instantaneous is inhumane, even if the person given it was a convicted killer, etc..
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tizzdance42 wrote:

I agree with all of these points, especially with the requirement for evidence being more thorough since one you take someone's life, you can't give it back. I think any form of death that isn't instantaneous is inhumane, even if the person given it was a convicted killer, etc..


The problem is that it isn't the cost of the method which composes the bulk of the cost of capital punishment. In fact, if we used a method which cost absolutely nothing whatsoever and ignored the cost of appeals capital punishment would still be more expensive than every single alternative sentencing option. Worse yet, capital punishment isn't any more effective a deterrent than those alternatives. There's no reason to execute people other than to either suppress political dissent (like in Belarus) or to seek revenge for offenses which the public deems to be heinous. The former is thankfully already unpalatable, but what I don't understand is why the latter (a criminal justice system which conducts revenge killings) isn't equally unpalatable.
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Posted 8/22/14 , edited 8/22/14
Death is permanent, if we find out we executed an innocent person then it's "oops sorry?" At least we can release people from prison if we later find that they were innocent. I've studied forensic psychology and eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, because basically people have crappy memory especially when under intense situations. There's no proof that it serves as a deterrent, it accomplishes nothing but vengeance for the victim and their family but we call it "justice".

I don't think a society that claims to be civilized should have a death penalty but if we must have one we should just use firing squads and stop pretending that we're doing something "clean" and humane. There's nothing humane about killing someone that is already in custody and poses no threat to the public.
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ChinaCat89 wrote:

Death is permanent, if we find out we executed an innocent person then it's "oops sorry?" At least we can release people from prison if we later find that they were innocent. I've studied forensic psychology and eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, because basically people have crappy memory especially when under intense situations. There's no proof that it serves as a deterrent, it accomplishes nothing but vengeance for the victim and their family but we call it "justice".

I don't think a society that claims to be civilized should have a death penalty but if we must have one we should just use firing squads and stop pretending that we're doing something "clean" and humane. There's nothing humane about killing someone that is already in custody and poses no threat to the public.


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There have been many errors during lethal injections which has led to some ugly deaths. It is an ineffective method that should be replaced. In the US, prisoners have constitutional rights which is why they have prisons with beds. The death penalty should be removed.
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