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Its funny because I typically find myself getting more annoyed at people who insult a series without ever touching its source material and making full judgements on the series based on that, even if the adaptation is bad and the fanbase hates it. An example of this is when Steins;Gate came out people were going "Oh wow, there's a sister series to this well it must be just as HOLY WAS THAT BAD. Chaos;Head is sh*t and doesn't deserve to be tied to Steins;Gate" Chaos;Head is not perfect by any means but it was still a pretty good VN and just seeing people utterly rip into made me pretty mad cause... it didn't deserve it. By all means the anime is bad but people weren't just insulting the anime they were insulting the series as a whole and like I said it didn't deserve it.


Robotic; Notes fell into this hole as well...D:..although not as bad as the Chaos;Head adaption, seeing has it did have above average marks..but still falls short to its source counter part,
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JadeAmberTwins wrote:
Its funny because I typically find myself getting more annoyed at people who insult a series without ever touching its source material and making full judgements on the series based on that, even if the adaptation is bad and the fanbase hates it. An example of this is when Steins;Gate came out people were going "Oh wow, there's a sister series to this well it must be just as HOLY WAS THAT BAD. Chaos;Head is sh*t and doesn't deserve to be tied to Steins;Gate" Chaos;Head is not perfect by any means but it was still a pretty good VN and just seeing people utterly rip into made me pretty mad cause... it didn't deserve it. By all means the anime is bad but people weren't just insulting the anime they were insulting the series as a whole and like I said it didn't deserve it.


Robotic; Notes fell into this hole as well...D:..although not as bad as the Chaos;Head adaption, seeing has it did have above average marks..but still falls short to its source counter part,


I can't really comment on Robotic;Notes cause I haven't played the VN, however it seems that general opinion is that it is the weakest of the ';' series. Even then I also heard it wasn't a great adaption and yes I also noticed that it was getting the hate train as well... just nowhere near as bad as Chaos;Head got it.
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cay032692 I finally understand!

Anyways on topic: I don't see any problems with it as long as people use spoiler tags. It's only natural for people to compare animes to the original source material. It can't be helped really.
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cay032692 I finally understand!

Anyways on topic: I don't see any problems with it as long as people use spoiler tags. It's only natural for people to compare animes to the original source material. It can't be helped really.


It can't be helped that is true. No rules are being broken, etc etc.

People spreading their discontentment based on the adaptation isn't great though.
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windsagio wrote:


LoomyTheBrew wrote:

cay032692 I finally understand!

Anyways on topic: I don't see any problems with it as long as people use spoiler tags. It's only natural for people to compare animes to the original source material. It can't be helped really.


It can't be helped that is true. No rules are being broken, etc etc.

People spreading their discontentment based on the adaptation isn't great though.


If it servery cripples the plot then I think the readers have every right to complain because they know what it could have been. For some animes it's different than others, but I think readers should express their discontent since leaving at some key aspects can really undermine the series.

An example of an adaption that hasn't included every bit of detail, but still does a good job is Magic High School. From what I hear from the LN readers is that they leave out some details, but for the most part it doesn't really effect the overall experience and it's still pretty damn good.

And depending on what Brynhildr does tomorrow, that will be an example of a show that cripples a series by cutting out too much content and go for an original ending (I couldn't help myself bringing this one up).
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Anime adaptions always leave out important shit and anyone who's seen the source material will always be dissapoitned, nothing wrong with that, not their faults anime adaptions are always done so poorlly
Posted 6/8/14
If I intrigue anyone to go and read the source material I believe its a win regardless of the anime/movie/etc.. A lot of animes are so subpar to the written material it is worth bringing it up.. because a real fan might want to read it to know what the actual story was..
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*looks left, looks right*

Maybe I'm the weird one here, but if source material (e.g. LNs) is not legally available where I am, I just act like it doesn't exist, for the most part. Makes my life a whole lot easier. I take anime on their own merits, though, if something deviates greatly from the source material, I don't mind being alerted to it by other fans. However, I do think it's kind of shitty to spoil something that hasn't happened yet in an anime version, so pink boxes are appreciated.
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JadeAmberTwins wrote:

Its funny because I typically find myself getting more annoyed at people who insult a series without ever touching its source material and making full judgements on the series based on that, even if the adaptation is bad and the fanbase hates it. An example of this is when Steins;Gate came out people were going "Oh wow, there's a sister series to this well it must be just as HOLY WAS THAT BAD. Chaos;Head is sh*t and doesn't deserve to be tied to Steins;Gate" Chaos;Head is not perfect by any means but it was still a pretty good VN and just seeing people utterly rip into made me pretty mad cause... it didn't deserve it. By all means the anime is bad but people weren't just insulting the anime they were insulting the series as a whole and like I said it didn't deserve it.
You get a similar response if you parallel Higurashi and Umineko. Its quite common for people to fall head over heels for the Higurashi anime, and then go 'bleh' in response to watching the Umineko anime, which is understandable considering the somewhat botched attempt at trying to adapt such a complicated work. However when they blanket rate the two series as a whole as great/terrible its really kind of sad because when you talk to fans of the original source material, many fans consider the Umineko Sound Novel to be the superior of the two.

I understand not everyone wants to bother with anything but the anime version of things, which is perfectly cool, but it irks me a bit when people judge the entire work from the anime 'performance' of the original script. Kind of like people judging one of Shakespeares works based on a poor amateur performance of it.

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So, my question. What drives people to do this? There's proper places for source material discussion, and you know everyone wants to talk about that there, not sure of the appeal (and also annoyed bout it, not gonna lie)

A super easy answer:

People like the source material, and it is the their head canon. Therefore they 1) defend the show itself against attacks by saying "the source material is better" because they perceive an attack on the show as an attack on the source material they like, and 2) they are part of a certain "in" club that knows more about the show due to their exposure with the source material & so they want to (intentionally or not) demonstrate that they are in that club.


The problem is that people can be unable or unwilling to judge a show on its own merits, which is foolish. It doesn't matter how good the book was if the movie sucked.

There is a saying the screenwriting business: "You can make a bad movie out of a good script, but you can't make a good movie out of a bad script."

tl;dr--it's easier to make something that sucks than it is to make something good.


Comparing the source material to the adaptation is only a legitimate criticism if you are looking at how well it was adapted, that is, the quality of the adaptation as it relates to the quality of the source material. But that is a criticism of the art of adaptation, NOT of the adaptation itself.

Saying, "It's not like the source material," is not a legitimate criticism. That's an observation, not an evaluative judgement.


I should acknowledge that there are probably some people who just like seeing the differences, but it's all about how you express that.
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Maybe its just me, but I love seeing what they change. I love the anime on its own merits, but doesnt mean I dont like to compare the differences. I find it interesting.
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I usually only talk about the source material in an anime thread is if I feel the anime didn't do a good job representing it. Like I don't compare the NGNL anime to its LN cause I'm overall satisfied by the adaptation and feel its doing a good job capturing the spirit.

Unfortunately LN and VN adaptations have a nasty habit of coming up short, which is why I'm thinking you specifically mentioned LN, cause people aren't being satisfied by them.

I'll use Index as an example. Personally I'd rate the anime for Index at a low 7(.2 or .3), the LNs on the other would be closer to a mid 8. That's going down an entire tier for me. Not to mention I feel as though I can literally answer most complaints directed at it by literally saying "Well, in the LN..."

When I see a series I like getting adapted I don't just want the series to be good on its own I also want the adaptation to be a good representation of its source material.

Its funny because I typically find myself getting more annoyed at people who insult a series without ever touching its source material and making full judgements on the series based on that, even if the adaptation is bad and the fanbase hates it. An example of this is when Steins;Gate came out people were going "Oh wow, there's a sister series to this well it must be just as HOLY WAS THAT BAD. Chaos;Head is sh*t and doesn't deserve to be tied to Steins;Gate" Chaos;Head is not perfect by any means but it was still a pretty good VN and just seeing people utterly rip into made me pretty mad cause... it didn't deserve it. By all means the anime is bad but people weren't just insulting the anime they were insulting the series as a whole and like I said it didn't deserve it.


Yup. You got my feelings in a nutshell as well. I get this a lot for SAO as well. Everyone bashes the series for problems that it has (and the anime has A LOT...) however, the Light Novels are decent. There is nothing inherently wrong with them, and the characterizations, the interactions, and the attention to detail is just better. The anime cut way too many corners. It seems that this happens a lot for a lot of series. I don't read a whole lot of Light Novels in general, but for every Fate/Zero or Baccano!, there are a whole lot more series like SAO that just don't do enough justice. Maybe it is the book thing that just tends to happen. A lot is lost in the transition to film or TV. It has happened with books since the advent of movies, and probably is never going to change. :/

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Maybe its just me, but I love seeing what they change. I love the anime on its own merits, but doesnt mean I dont like to compare the differences. I find it interesting.


It's not just you. I enjoy seeing what is changed as well. I'm not saying i always want things to be different from their source material, but i find it creative and interesting how the staff decides to add in or change things to add their little "flair" to it. For some, it is due to laziness in my opinion, but other times they want to put something in that they feel will allow the series to flow or stay consistent throughout the course of it's run. It has happened to most of my favorite shows, and though the source material may sometimes be more plot-driven, the anime is more entertaining and really works with the time frame they are given.
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It's not just the light novels but manga as well but it's called a discussion thread for a reason and we don't have a section for light novels. On top of that, the anime (in most cases) is the lowest form of material. The manga and light novels always have something that was removed or changed in the anime. A good example is Attack on Titan. Pretty much all of episode 25 didn't happen quite the same way it did in the manga. People just like to compare because they can spot the differences between the source material and the other version
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One of the best ways to ruin your interpretation of a movie, anime, etc. is to read the source material. I used to wholeheartedly love the Jurassic Park and The Lost World movies. Then I read Michael Crichton's novels. Now, a part of me slams her head against a metal wall every time the movies are brought up. Adaptations can can be disturbingly different from the originals, to the point of them being connected to the source material in little more than name, or only in name. The Jurassic Park and The Lost World movies are examples of that. Granted, I still like the movies; however, I'd be lying if I were to say that they have much in common with the books. It pains me when adaptations are like that, because I feel as though they are for those who aren't familiar with the origins. I view it as a shame, really, because it's the fans of the source materials who are more likely to beg for adaptations. It's comparable to asking for pan-seared, New York Strip steak and being given roast quail. The quail may be good in its own fashion, but it's not the steak that was requested.
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