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I wouldn't get my hopes up about CR providing a language learning service... Unless they have had a company policy directional change since just last November, there was a more or less official statement in a post about being only an entertainment service, not an educational one.
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Posted 8/8/14 , edited 9/23/16
As someone learning Japanese, I would appreciate this feature a lot.
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Posted 8/12/14

asharka wrote:

I wouldn't get my hopes up about CR providing a language learning service... Unless they have had a company policy directional change since just last November, there was a more or less official statement in a post about being only an entertainment service, not an educational one.


Adding Japanese subtitles wouldn't be providing a language learning service, although some people might use it to that end. It would be expanding on a service that they already provide. These subs are not hardcoded into the video. The Japanese subs are already available for many of these shows. Unless this site were coded improperly(unable to handle utf?), it should be easy enough to add Japanese subs into the videos.

It's not really that big of a deal. If you want to watch your favorite anime with Japanese subtitles, you can find many subs here.

http://kitsunekko.net/subtitles/japanese/

Obviously, you'll have to find the anime somewhere else, which I recommend if you are a serious Japanese language enthusiast...
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Posted 8/12/14

subcogitate wrote:

These subs are not hardcoded into the video.

That is only true if you are viewing via the Flash-based player in a web browser.

Also, you will find some shows have hard subs even for the Flash streams.

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Posted 8/12/14

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subcogitate wrote:

These subs are not hardcoded into the video.

That is only true if you are viewing via the Flash-based player in a web browser.

Also, you will find some shows have hard subs even for the Flash streams.





Ok, then only allow Japanese subs on the same videos which already allow other soft subbed languages? I'm not suggesting to make it harder than it needs to be. I'm sure people would jump at the chance to view Japanese subbed CR streams on a web browser, even if they normally watch on a mobile device...
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Posted 8/12/14

subcogitate wrote:

Ok, then only allow Japanese subs on the same videos which already allow other soft subbed languages? I'm not suggesting to make it harder than it needs to be. I'm sure people would jump at the chance to view Japanese subbed CR streams on a web browser, even if they normally watch on a mobile device...


If the workflow even allows a certain subtitle language to be excluded from encoding for devices, adding Japanese subtitles to just the Flash players would likely result in threads asking why they can't view them on their devices (and I can imagine that number being greater than the number asking for Japanese subs).

Really, this proposed feature would only benefit an extremely limited number of users. Those that speak Japanese shouldn't require subtitles, and those that are most comfortable reading Japanese, but are hearing impaired (who, unfortunately, are likely used to being underserved). Of course, both of those are subsets of people living outside of Japan, so the added revenue from those select customers is very unlikely to offset the added cost and administration of such a service.

If you can find a way to prove the ROI of adding Japanese subtitles is a net gain, maybe then the feature will be implemented, but with so many apps which could benefit from an update and other website improvements, it would probably be placed at the end of the queue anyway.
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Posted 9/16/14

Tkonder19 wrote:

you do realize this is a service ment to bring japanese anime to the states ,so why would they make it raw? just go to a random anime site and they'll have the raws to any show you want, they always upload the raws then the subs later on, or you could try getting a channel from japan on your service provider?


only the states huh because youre the whole world ?
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Posted 9/16/14

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subcogitate wrote:

Ok, then only allow Japanese subs on the same videos which already allow other soft subbed languages? I'm not suggesting to make it harder than it needs to be. I'm sure people would jump at the chance to view Japanese subbed CR streams on a web browser, even if they normally watch on a mobile device...


If the workflow even allows a certain subtitle language to be excluded from encoding for devices, adding Japanese subtitles to just the Flash players would likely result in threads asking why they can't view them on their devices (and I can imagine that number being greater than the number asking for Japanese subs).

Really, this proposed feature would only benefit an extremely limited number of users. Those that speak Japanese shouldn't require subtitles, and those that are most comfortable reading Japanese, but are hearing impaired (who, unfortunately, are likely used to being underserved). Of course, both of those are subsets of people living outside of Japan, so the added revenue from those select customers is very unlikely to offset the added cost and administration of such a service.

If you can find a way to prove the ROI of adding Japanese subtitles is a net gain, maybe then the feature will be implemented, but with so many apps which could benefit from an update and other website improvements, it would probably be placed at the end of the queue anyway.


I know at least 15 people that want japanese subs on here .... And thats the people I know imagine the whole group...
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Just to give another voice to the cause, Japanese subs are the one thing that would keep me premium forever. The work on CR's part to add it seems minimal compared to adding other features and I know a ton of people who are also learning Japanese that would instantly subscribe to CR if Raw subs were provided.

CR, you don't have to be a language learning service to have Raw subs - that's silly. You'd be providing a relatively easily implemented entertainment service that would attract a largely untapped market share. Think cost benefit. It's financially in your interest. People who are learning languages spend TONS to help them along the way. They're currently spending tons not on CR because you don't currently do anything to attract them. Just look at how filthy stinking rich Rosetta Stone is . . .
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Just to give another voice to the cause, Japanese subs are the one thing that would keep me premium forever. The work on CR's part to add it seems minimal compared to adding other features and I know a ton of people who are also learning Japanese that would instantly subscribe to CR if Raw subs were provided.

CR, you don't have to be a language learning service to have Raw subs - that's silly. You'd be providing a relatively easily implemented entertainment service that would attract a largely untapped market share. Think cost benefit. It's financially in your interest. People who are learning languages spend TONS to help them along the way. They're currently spending tons not on CR because you don't currently do anything to attract them. Just look at how filthy stinking rich Rosetta Stone is . . .


Unless something has changed, raw "subs" (episodes w/out subtitles) can be found by disabling Flash subtitles in a browser window.
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Turning off subs is great but is completely besides the point. I've known about turning off subs for a while, but if you want to enjoy it in it's raw form there are a lot of words you may only know written and many you may only know spoken. Having raw audio w/out subs is pretty much pointless unless you're fluent or near-fluent.

And again, I refuse to believe this would require some heroic effort on the part of CR. You don't have to add it for anything but browsers. What can we who want this do to have our voice heard? A CR poll wouldn't be appropriate as the majority of people who would start using CR currently don't. Someone go ask your average Japanese learner if they'd pay $7 a month for near unlimited anime with raw subs.

Trust me, finding raw sub files + a site to download individual anime episodes is a pain in the butt. The functionality to overlay subs is already there, you just have to add an extra file for raw subs which you don't even have to make. You just have to go find them. I know lots who'd come over to CR in a heartbeat if they heard about this.
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Posted 11/14/14

Sellestra wrote:

Someone go ask your average Japanese learner if they'd pay $7 a month for near unlimited anime with raw subs.

Trust me, finding raw sub files + a site to download individual anime episodes is a pain in the butt. The functionality to overlay subs is already there, you just have to add an extra file for raw subs which you don't even have to make.

Your terminology is confused. Raw = unaltered, which would mean no subs. There is literally no such thing as "raw subs".

You appear to be asking for rōmaji subs.
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Posted 11/14/14
Raw subs = subs in Japanese. 漢字、カタカナ、平仮名 (Kanji, katakana, hiragana)。Romaji is definitely not what I mean.
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Posted 11/14/14 , edited 11/14/14

Sellestra wrote:

Raw subs = subs in Japanese. 漢字、カタカナ、平仮名 (Kanji, katakana, hiragana)。Romaji is definitely not what I mean.


So you want Japanese subs, not raw video.
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Posted 11/14/14

eyeofpain wrote:


Sellestra wrote:

Raw subs = subs in Japanese. 漢字、カタカナ、平仮名 (Kanji, katakana, hiragana)。Romaji is definitely not what I mean.


So you want Japanese subs, not raw video.


Most of CR is already raw video. Japanese subs (subs in their raw form, e.g. untranslated).

To be clear, what I (and a bunch of other people studying Japanese) would love, is the raw video CR already has with an option to swap the subs into Japanese (not Romaji) instead of English.

A lot of the anime on CR already lets you switch subs into French, Spanish, Portuguese and even Dutch. The Japanese subtitle files already exist and could easily be added to the list of options.

tl;dr - Japanese audio (raw) + real Japanese subs (not Romaji) for browsers
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