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Crossover Battle! Kirito VS Shiroe!
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UPDATES
--Updated a few abilities on Shiroe
--Added strength to Kirito: Relentless pace
--Expanded arena size due to Shiroe's increased range from items
--Ongoing investigation on Shiroe's Thorn Bind Hostage ability to proc on user damage instead of ally's
--Possibility of "rule of off-hand damage" applies to Kirito's Dark Repulser.
--Added two weakness to Kirito - he has never faced a mage, and after reviewing an episode, he has been known to fight recklessly at the cost of his health. It's safe to assume Kirito will relentlessly pursue Shiroe while disregarding his health.
--Added weakness to Shiroe: He's usually behind the front lines.



Sources:

Sword Art Online Wiki (http://swordartonline.wikia.com/wiki/Kirito)
Log Horizon Wiki (http://log-horizon.wikia.com/wiki/Shiroe)

EDITOR'S NOTE: Due to the inconsistencies of Kirito's stats in different game arcs, we will be presenting him at his strongest in the Aincrad arc. His statistics in other games are far lower, so this actually allow him to be a more equal match to Shiroe. Also, Shiroe has consistently continued in one game universe and become stronger, and since the anime is a pretty accurate adaptation of the light novels, we can enter his new stats here. There will be no outside interference (that means NO Asuna, Kayaba, Naotsugu, Akatsuki, and most of all, bad writers), and both combatants must fight to the death!

THE ARENA

The PVP arena will be about 40 meters in diameter. That's about the relative size of PvP arenas in most standard MMOs. Far enough for Kirito to not have a huge close quarter advantage, but also far enough for Shiroe to not blast him right out the gate, or stand in the middle launching spells everywhere while Kirito is a sitting duck. Shiroe's cast range is 12-something meters (40 feet to be exact) + more from his items, so the radius of the arena should be 20 meters (~65 feet) to ensure he has to at least move to get in range to Kirito, and vice versa.

THE RULES
--Contestants must fight to KO by any means they have at their disposal. This means Shiroe cannot kite forever.
--Time restraint is 5 minutes, enough to make major cooldowns a deciding factor without reusing them.
--If no KO, most damage inflicted within 5 minutes wins by TKO.
--No admin powers for Kirito. He received these powers in ALO anyways, so it doesn't count regardless.
--No magic creation powers for Shiroe, since they only affect the laws of the world in Elder Tale.
--Contestants must use ALL of their abilities to properly judge their overall effectiveness.

[IN THE RED CORNER....


IN THE BLUE CORNER.....




It's the battle of strength versus intelligence! Speed vs cunning! Blades vs magic! The cards are set and our two combatants are ready to fight to the finish. All that's left is interpretation!


WHO WILL WIN THIS DEATH BATTLE?

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I'm confused... what is the point of this thread? Are we saying who we think would win in a head to head battle on pure "stats?" If so, that does not compute with me as those stats are for different games with different ways of playing...
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Wouldn't Kirito win because Shiroe is an enchanter who excels at buffing party members?
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Kirito. And it wouldn't be close.

Shiroe's class isn't even good in it's own universe as a PvP class. It's focus is on support and Shiroe's focus is on strategy. We saw this early on when Shiroe and co. were locked in LH and they faced random weasels or whatever and when his group fought with Nyanta.

Kirito solo'd for almost two years and is OP as an MMO Character. He's also great at PvP as we saw when he fought Kayaba and Eugene.

If it was group vs. group, Shiroe would have a legitimate shot, but in terms of random PvP, it's a joke of a fight. It's like asking who would win in a battle between Batman and Superman, if you didn't allow Batman any prep time and he didn't know anything about Superman.
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Technically, Shiroe could win since he is a scribe and can make a literal "I WIN" button inside the game. He just has to farm the mats.
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Technically, Shiroe could win since he is a scribe and can make a literal "I WIN" button inside the game. He just has to farm the mats.


He would need Kirito to sign it, though, wouldn't he?
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bathroom64 wrote:
Technically, Shiroe could win since he is a scribe and can make a literal "I WIN" button inside the game. He just has to farm the mats.


That's also assuming the battle will take place in the ET world turned real where changing the rules of the game is possible, and Shiroe would need to be spotted time before the match started to actually sit down and draft said "I WIN" button. I don't see him having time to make one during the match.

Assuming it is a head to head in a neutral location with their stats and magic allowed, then Kirito is built to win in a head to head match. Shiroe would only delay the inevitable at best in such a scenario. Now if it was team play, then things would be interesting.
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sonic720 wrote:

I'm confused... what is the point of this thread? Are we saying who we think would win in a head to head battle on pure "stats?" If so, that does not compute with me as those stats are for different games with different ways of playing...


It's for fun, just like everything on this site. Only prudes would take this too seriously

All bias aside (I'm for Shiroe, by the way), Kirito's raw stats are quite intimidating and kind of give Shiroe a run for his money. However, there has never been a battle, whether physical or diplomatic, that Shiroe was not ready for.

Things we need to consider:
-Kirito's raw melee strength vs Shiroe's range and large amount of CC, one of which does major damage.
-Kirito's speed vs Shiroe's snare
-Kirito's combo attacks vs Shiroe's debuff that reduces accuracy and dodge
-Kirito's relentlessness vs Shiroe's excellent battlefield precognition
-Kirito's constitution vs Shiroe's DoT attack
-As of right now, Shiroe has more MMO experience than Kirito. He can also maintain his composure regardless of the situation, while Kirito has been known to lose control of his emotions.

Now we have them on an even battlefield, utilizing MMO gameplay for their attacks.

Although Kirito's stats are pretty scary, one should take a good look at Shiroe's skillset before jumping to conclusions. I was surprised at how much utility and damage he had for being a support class. The more I read up on him, the more dangerous he sounds, even without any help!

Those are my thoughts. I now need to come up with a way to find out all possible outcomes for this battle.
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I think a full party battle would be more entertaining, like most games Kirito will probably just get kited. :3
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Well Obviously....Iron-man would win.....?
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Unfortunately for Shiroe, nothing beats creator's-fantasy and plot armor

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Edit: Alternative answer; Shiroe could easily just not fight during the 8 months kirito is going and being badass, then one kirito finds that everyone hates him for being useless while Shiroe was making life livable for everyone.
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sonic720 wrote:
That's also assuming the battle will take place in the ET world turned real where changing the rules of the game is possible, and Shiroe would need to be spotted time before the match started to actually sit down and draft said "I WIN" button. I don't see him having time to make one during the match.

Assuming it is a head to head in a neutral location with their stats and magic allowed, then Kirito is built to win in a head to head match. Shiroe would only delay the inevitable at best in such a scenario. Now if it was team play, then things would be interesting.

We have no reason to assume magic is not allowed since his class is Enchanter, so he is a type of mage. Also, he is known for "looking ahead" and planning. Why would he not have one already done? That is just crazy talk. Crazy I say. Not to mention, Kirito could not dispel any "crowd control" abilities he throws his way.
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someone with admin powers always wins.
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bathroom64 wrote:


sonic720 wrote:
That's also assuming the battle will take place in the ET world turned real where changing the rules of the game is possible, and Shiroe would need to be spotted time before the match started to actually sit down and draft said "I WIN" button. I don't see him having time to make one during the match.

Assuming it is a head to head in a neutral location with their stats and magic allowed, then Kirito is built to win in a head to head match. Shiroe would only delay the inevitable at best in such a scenario. Now if it was team play, then things would be interesting.

We have no reason to assume magic is not allowed since his class is Enchanter, so he is a type of mage. Also, he is known for "looking ahead" and planning. Why would he not have one already done? That is just crazy talk. Crazy I say. Not to mention, Kirito could not dispel any "crowd control" abilities he throws his way.


You're assuming this is like Kayaba/Kirito I and not "we just randomly come upon each other and decide to fight".

Can't believe I'm arguing for Kirito. I like Shiroe a hell of a lot more.
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