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Crossover Battle! Kirito VS Shiroe!
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Posted 6/13/14

AnimeKami wrote:
someone with admin powers always wins.


In this case both do at certain points in each anime.

And remember if Kirito dies mid-battle he'll just deny that he's dead and ghost kill Shiroe anyhow.
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Posted 6/13/14 , edited 6/13/14

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Unfortunately for Shiroe, nothing beats creator's-fantasy and plot armor

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Which is why I've created this battlefield! No outside interference of any kind, including plot armor and deus ex machina. Just a showdown between two players and their abilities at the height of their power!


In this case both do at certain points in each anime.

And remember if Kirito dies mid-battle he'll just deny that he's dead and ghost kill Shiroe anyhow.


My exact words to Kayaba, and the writers of SAO:

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LionelJeid wrote:
You're assuming this is like Kayaba/Kirito I and not "we just randomly come upon each other and decide to fight".

Can't believe I'm arguing for Kirito. I like Shiroe a hell of a lot more.

Yet they still need a reason to fight. Did they kidnap their heroines? They would agree to work together at first, while Shiroe suspects him all the way since he is not a dumb MC. All the way.
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AnimeKami wrote:
someone with admin powers always wins.


In this case both do at certain points in each anime.

And remember if Kirito dies mid-battle he'll just deny that he's dead and ghost kill Shiroe anyhow.


Difference...Shiroe's "Admin" powers can be done by anyone with that profession and skill, and also a brain....Kirito is blessed by the gods of the world wide web...beacuse....he is so so Sugoi.
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Which is why I've created this battlefield! No outside interference of any kind, including plot armor and deus ex machina. Just a showdown between two players and their abilities at the height of their power!


You know this is synonymous to asking...Who would win, a Max Warrior during Wrath...Vs a Mesmer in Guild Wars 1.... Where neither skills classes have any true relatable skills where you can compare what beats what since, their counters weren't made in the same game system.
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Yet they still need a reason to fight. Did they kidnap their heroines? They would agree to work together at first, while Shiroe suspects him all the way since he is not a dumb MC. All the way.


But are we assuming they don't know each other and are just put into a virtual battle to fight? If so, it's hard to think Shiroe would be able to do much being an enchanter while Kirito heals fast and deals rapid damage up close with his OP reaction rate. Don't lose your way!
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But are we assuming they don't know each other and are just put into a virtual battle to fight? If so, it's hard to think Shiroe would be able to do much being an enchanter while Kirito heals fast and deals rapid damage up close with his OP reaction rate. Don't lose your way! :lol:

Oooohhhh yeaaaaa....I totally forgot. Shiroe can't die, he just respawns >_>
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Flexecute wrote:
Which is why I've created this battlefield! No outside interference of any kind, including plot armor and deus ex machina. Just a showdown between two players and their abilities at the height of their power!


You know this is synonymous to asking...Who would win, a Max Warrior during Wrath...Vs a Mesmer in Guild Wars 1.... Where neither skills classes have any true relatable skills where you can compare what beats what since, their counters weren't made in the same game system.


The same way we have Fox McCloud battle Bucky O'Hare. The same way we have Mario fight Sonic. The same way we have Terminator fight Robocop.

We make it work!
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Oooohhhh yeaaaaa....I totally forgot. Shiroe can't die, he just respawns >_>


So it will become ghost Kirito, keeping himself alive until he wins, versus zombie Shiroe as he loses all memories and becomes a mindless drone after dying too many times.
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Flexecute wrote:
The same way we have Fox McCloud battle Bucky O'Hare. The same way we have Mario fight Sonic. The same way we have Terminator fight Robocop.

We make it work!


Smash Brothers.....I like where this is going,...but we need better MC's
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Without admin powers Kirito will lose.

Thorn bind hostage, attack kirito 4x, wait til the last second and use the last hit from TBH, recast TBH, repeat until Shiroe wins.

Remember people... Shiroe's TBH duration is the same as it's cooldown. It is OP in 1v1 against a melee character with no ranged attacks. Any MMO pvp player should understand this very basic strategy.

It is basically what he did against Demikas.
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Without admin powers Kirito will lose.

Thorn bind hostage, attack kirito 4x, wait til the last second and use the last hit from TBH, recast TBH, repeat until Shiroe wins.

Remember people... Shiroe's TBH duration is the same as it's cooldown. It is OP in 1v1 against a melee character with no ranged attacks. Any MMO pvp player should understand this very basic strategy.

It is basically what he did against Demikas.


He also had other players in that battle with Demikas...including a healer and three melee (one tank, and 2 DPS, I believe). There's no proof Shiroe wins that battle 1v1. That's even before he realizes he can break the game.

I am surprised there's even a defense for Shiroe. His specialty is team battles and seeing what others don't. He's never even had a 1v1 fight on screen that we know of, if I recall correctly.

EDIT: What somebody needs to do is make a MOBA of Shounen Heroes and Heroines. Not to settle this debate, but because it'd be fucking awesome.
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MartianMage wrote:

Without admin powers Kirito will lose.

Thorn bind hostage, attack kirito 4x, wait til the last second and use the last hit from TBH, recast TBH, repeat until Shiroe wins.

Remember people... Shiroe's TBH duration is the same as it's cooldown. It is OP in 1v1 against a melee character with no ranged attacks. Any MMO pvp player should understand this very basic strategy.

It is basically what he did against Demikas.


He also had other players in that battle with Demikas...including a healer and three melee (one tank, and 2 DPS, I believe). There's no proof Shiroe wins that battle 1v1. That's even before he realizes he can break the game.

I am surprised there's even a defense for Shiroe. His specialty is team battles and seeing what others don't. He's never even had a 1v1 fight on screen that we know of, if I recall correctly.

Because it wasn't his fight to begin with. I only mentioned Demikas because what he did is basically the same principle. Doesn't matter if you never see Shiroe 1v1 the fact that he used this on Demikas shows he knows this strategy and will use said strat.

Why even argue about it just look at the skills, factor in duration and cooldown and it's quite easy to see that logically there's no way for a pure melee to win against someone with a range cc+damage that can be recasted as soon as it ends.
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MartianMage wrote:
Why even argue about it just look at the skills, factor in duration and cooldown and it's quite easy to see that logically there's no way for a pure melee to win against someone with a range cc+damage that can be recasted as soon as it ends.


What about healing? Kirito has a fast regeneration of health ability while, to my understanding, Shiroe does not nor does he have any healing magic. Shiroe even says he's helpless unless he knows his opponent well in battle. So, if they were thrown in a ring blind with no prior knowledge of each other with their particular in game stats and abilities, Shiroe would need to make the first strike with the correct ability to counter his opponent or he'd be toast.
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LionelJeid wrote:


MartianMage wrote:

Without admin powers Kirito will lose.

Thorn bind hostage, attack kirito 4x, wait til the last second and use the last hit from TBH, recast TBH, repeat until Shiroe wins.

Remember people... Shiroe's TBH duration is the same as it's cooldown. It is OP in 1v1 against a melee character with no ranged attacks. Any MMO pvp player should understand this very basic strategy.

It is basically what he did against Demikas.


He also had other players in that battle with Demikas...including a healer and three melee (one tank, and 2 DPS, I believe). There's no proof Shiroe wins that battle 1v1. That's even before he realizes he can break the game.

I am surprised there's even a defense for Shiroe. His specialty is team battles and seeing what others don't. He's never even had a 1v1 fight on screen that we know of, if I recall correctly.


Not to mention TBH must be cut using a melee atk (there might also be a dictation that an ally must do the atk but not 100% sure on this). If Shiroe was to get close to be able to actually cut the thorns, the amount of damage he would take from Kirito would not be worth it. Also Kirito isn't limited by CD times as if he manually performs the skills and atks he is limited only by his physical(well really mental) limits.

Shiroe's best chance would be using Nightmare Sphere lowering 80% of opponents speed and keeping his distance with simple basic magic atks since all his skills are mainly team-based or does minimal damage anyways(so best not to waist MP). But then again a skill as potent as this much have a huge CD compared to affect time.


In final, Kirito would win out between CDs b/c as every1 has stated he isn't a PvP character. He is a rear-row support character that wins through tactfully supporting the strengths of his allies
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