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Muslim Doctrine and Waging Jihad
Posted 6/19/14
This discussion is about Muslim teachings pertaining to holy wars and why they are waged.
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Posted 6/19/14 , edited 6/19/14
I'm not going to really make a point, since i have washed my hands of the ignorance of the extremists of that religion.

The quran is one of the most violent pieces of religious text i have ever read in my entire life. " (so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.) strike them on their foreheads to tear them apart and over the necks to cut them off, and cut off their limbs, hands and feet. It was said that," ~ extract from Surah 8 : 12.

The extremists of the Islamic religion are ridiculous; and hypocrites. They take offense when someone says anything about Islam, and then threaten people with death for doing so; Yet they are completely allowed to insult and piss upon the religions of others.

A holy war is a futile war, given birth through human ignorance and deceit. Its called a holy war, because that's the only way they can justify slaughtering people in the thousands for what they deem as "transgressions against Allah". However in reality, there is no "holy" in a "holy" war, as every one of these wars is fought for darker and much more selfish reasons, and the idea of "fighting for ones god" is a facade so they can ignore the inhuman acts they commit.
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AzazelOfNexium wrote:

I'm not going to really make a point, since i have washed my hands of the ignorance of the extremists of that religion.


Were you involved in islamic extremism at some point? Are you an ex-islamist, or even ex-muslim?
Just wondering.
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Nope. Not related in any way shape or form. I'm a creationist.

I used to study religions as part of a Psychology course i took. I also used to be a member of my high school's model united nations, which i further had to study the islamic religion for a debate about a topic very similar to this.

By wash my hands, i mean, i am done trying to figure out the stupidity behind the extremist mindset
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Posted 6/19/14

AzazelOfNexium wrote:



Nope. Not related in any way shape or form. I'm a creationist.

I used to study religions as part of a Psychology course i took. I also used to be a member of my high school's model united nations, which i further had to study the islamic religion for a debate about a topic very similar to this.

By wash my hands, i mean, i am done trying to figure out the stupidity behind the extremist mindset


Ah, I see.
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Posted 6/19/14 , edited 6/19/14
I personally believe that the reason why you see these "holy wars" in the Middle East and not elsewhere is due to such beliefs being perpetuated by Middle Eastern media and the community. Effectively, Fundamentalist Islam and the Orthodox/Haredi flavor of Zionism both use "holy books" to create something similar to extreme nationalism. Ie: My religion (or in the case of nationalism, my culture) makes me superior to you, so that gives me the right to your land and even to kill you sort of spiel, it says it in my book anyway. Oh, and because we believe that let's force feed these beliefs down people's throats thru school, TV, the papers, riots/demonstrations, and word of mouth. That sounds an awful lot like Germany in the two world wars, or the Serbs with Kosovo, or the Roman Empire, or just about any past empire out there really.

But seriously, if you ever looked at some examples of Palestinian Media, Israeli media, or any other sort of Middle Eastern media you would see what I'm talking about.
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Posted 6/19/14 , edited 6/19/14
We all just need to get along. If there were one religion in the world it should be Love Thy Neighbor (actually that's what Islam claims to be but there is perhaps more infighting among adherents as there is with other faiths).
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Posted 6/23/14

AzazelOfNexium wrote:

I'm not going to really make a point, since i have washed my hands of the ignorance of the extremists of that religion.

The quran is one of the most violent pieces of religious text i have ever read in my entire life. " (so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.) strike them on their foreheads to tear them apart and over the necks to cut them off, and cut off their limbs, hands and feet. It was said that," ~ extract from Surah 8 : 12.

The extremists of the Islamic religion are ridiculous; and hypocrites. They take offense when someone says anything about Islam, and then threaten people with death for doing so; Yet they are completely allowed to insult and piss upon the religions of others.

A holy war is a futile war, given birth through human ignorance and deceit. Its called a holy war, because that's the only way they can justify slaughtering people in the thousands for what they deem as "transgressions against Allah". However in reality, there is no "holy" in a "holy" war, as every one of these wars is fought for darker and much more selfish reasons, and the idea of "fighting for ones god" is a facade so they can ignore the inhuman acts they commit.


Thank You for Speaking upon this...I Myself, have never read the Quran. But wow, that's incredibly ridiculous.
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Posted 6/23/14 , edited 6/23/14
i'll give you an example

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/malaysias-top-court-rejects-churchs-bid-allah-24257557

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/30/world/africa/sudan-apostasy-husband/

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2013/08/15/peaceful-brotherhood-protesters-torching-coptic-christian-churches-n1665492

i was in saudi arabia for a year like in 1996 when my parents got questioned why my sister is wearing shorts in the mall. i mean she's liek 5 or 6 y/o at that time

oh make sure you hide ur cross or bible if you live there either
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Posted 6/29/14

AzazelOfNexium

Nope. Not related in any way shape or form. I'm a creationist.

I used to study religions as part of a Psychology course i took. I also used to be a member of my high school's model united nations, which i further had to study the islamic religion for a debate about a topic very similar to this.

By wash my hands, i mean, i am done trying to figure out the stupidity behind the extremist mindset


So... Did you ever read that there bible? Nothing but love and understanding and violent murder, rape, and slavery. Nothing like the Quran, which is based on the teachings of the same prophets and was an offshoot of the same religion.
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Posted 6/29/14
Also, in all but a few circumstances, Jihad is meant to mean an internal war. A person's struggle to live by the faith and the rules they believe to be the will of god, rather than by the whims of their own selfishness.

But feel free to talk about something you don't know a whole lot about, because you read about it once. We'll all just turn a blind eye to the disgusting excesses of your religion, while we are here... otherwise you'd come off looking like a hypocrite.
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Jihad = the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

Just putting it out there.
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Fozzles wrote:

Jihad = the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

Just putting it out there.
Thank you! ( ^∇^)ノ

I think there is a lot of prejudice against Muslims. Especially in America, there are a whole bunch of fox-watching red-necks spreading their Islamophobic shit. The misinterpretation of the word "jihad" is the perfect example. Then there are words like "Moderate Muslims" as if Muslim Extremist is the standard. The word Jihad is not equivalent to Muslim extremism. A video that everyone should watch:

What Does Jihad Actually Mean?
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Posted 7/9/14
The problems with Islam are the same problems that occur throughout theism as a whole. It seems only Christians that specifically see the problem with Islam as the entire problem. Thus is the monopolistic nature of religion where it is a sin to be curious.
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Posted 7/9/14

Fozzles wrote:

Jihad = the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

Just putting it out there.


I learned in school that there are two kinds of jihad. The first is what you say and the second is the war against non-believer.
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