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what makes you trans*? what has been said to you or others about not being trans* enough?
Posted 6/21/14
First off, you should not use the asterisk after trans. It was apparently created by someone to exclude certain transgender people under the trans label.

Anyway, what makes someone transgender is something they experience called gender dysphoria. It's something that is referred to as a disconnect from the sex your body is and the sex your brain interprets your body as. In other words, your body is male, but your brain is wired to think that your body should have a vagina and you should be a woman. Dysphoria does not necessarily mean that the person hates their body, but it can cause hatred for their body. Dysphoria can sometimes show up very early in life within children, or it might not really begin until the child goes through puberty, some people go a very long time before they realize they experience dysphoria. It can appear in different ways, some people report having a nauseous feeling, some feel anxious, and so on.

This is a blog that is dedicated to education about transsexualism and anything related to it. This link specifically links to all the studies they've found and posted about brain sex theories.

The only time I've been referred to as 'not trans enough' was when I came out to some people and they said I didn't look trans. (Not sure how to look it, ahah.) I also went to an LGBT group at a university and they said the same thing. Whatever though. I can't help it.
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thankfully in my own personal community bubble no one has accused me of that. im agender, which is usually something along with nonbinary that gets hit with the "not trans enough" thing a looot

idk what makes me agender it just.... feels correct u know?
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zebrathinker wrote:
idk what makes me agender it just.... feels correct u know?


And that's about all that it does, or would take, Methinks. Me? I love Everyone equally, just the way they are.
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The way that gender roles and perception have evolved over the last 40 years or so, things like transgenderism isn't really that big of a deal anymore. However, it, and other kinds of psuedo-gender bending are still noticed.

I am more gender fluid myself. What this means for people that are unfamiliar, is that I feel much more manly sometimes, and much more effeminate other times. The only way this has really had much of an effect on me though is in my dating life, since the kind of women I am attracted to tend to look for someone more in line with the general picture people paint for a man, while I have a strong tendency to be rather effeminate with more strings of "manning up" and being that male role model.

I get teased a lot and I tend to leave mixed impressions since my fluidity makes me rather eccentric to most, but it's still a part of how I identify myself and nobody worth my time has really judged me negatively for it.
Posted 6/21/14 , edited 6/21/14

BigDaddyDelish wrote:

I am more gender fluid myself. What this means for people that are unfamiliar, is that I feel much more manly sometimes, and much more effeminate other times.


By the way you describe it, wouldn't genderfluid just be bigender?

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Charizam wrote:

By the way you describe it, wouldn't genderfluid just be bigender?



It pretty much is the same thing, just another term for it. Gender fluidity is also often associated with being agender too.

I can definitely attest to how all the terms for gender identity can get really confusing, but that's the right train of thought.
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It pretty much is the same thing, just another term for it. Gender fluidity is also often associated with being agender too.

I can definitely attest to how all the terms for gender identity can get really confusing, but that's the right train of thought.


I don't get the point in having 5+ different names for things, cause not only is there bigender and genderfluid there is genderqueer as well. (Which I have a problem with due to queer being a slur and I don't want it associated with anyone due to connotations.) I mean, I won't stop people from using the words do whatever, I just don't see the point.

Also, I don't see how gender fluidity/bigender could be associated with agender? Seeing as agender is the absence of a gender. I guess I can see it associated with non-binary which as those that fall out of the binary, but bigender/genderfluid does have 'gender' they're just both masculine and feminine which are both binary, but because you'd be both it wouldn't really be 'binary' anymore...

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I don't get the point in having 5+ different names for things, cause not only is there bigender and genderfluid there is genderqueer as well. (Which I have a problem with due to queer being a slur and I don't want it associated with anyone due to connotations.) I mean, I won't stop people from using the words do whatever, I just don't see the point.

Also, I don't see how gender fluidity/bigender could be associated with agender? Seeing as agender is the absence of a gender. I guess I can see it associated with non-binary which as those that fall out of the binary, but bigender/genderfluid does have 'gender' they're just both masculine and feminine which are both binary, but because you'd be both it wouldn't really be 'binary' anymore...


Eh, that's just the way language works really. We have a lot of different words for almost everything, the fact that something like a thesaurus even exists is a testament to how open ended our language can be.

And gender fluidity is hypothetically supposed to be able to include streaks of feeling agender as well, though I'm not entirely keen on it myself. I tend to be effeminate most of the time with larger streaks of masculinity, but I can't admit to fully understanding what it means to not have feelings associated with either gender as even apathy in certain contexts can still fall within either realm of gender identity. I'm not an expert clearly, but I've heard of people saying that it's supposed to be included so I made a footnote of it.
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And gender fluidity is hypothetically supposed to be able to include streaks of feeling agender as well, though I'm not entirely keen on it myself. I tend to be effeminate most of the time with larger streaks of masculinity, but I can't admit to fully understanding what it means to not have feelings associated with either gender as even apathy in certain contexts can still fall within either realm of gender identity. I'm not an expert clearly, but I've heard of people saying that it's supposed to be included so I made a footnote of it.


Erm, because bigenderism includes those two binary genders I don't think it can really be included with agender which is no gender what-so-ever. While I'm sure you could have 'neutral' moments, you still have both binary genders. If we were to put the two together then the word agender would kind of lose its meaning.

When it comes to the agender/non-binary/bigender spectrum of transgender people no one is really an expert (except maybe someone who experiences these things) because it's a relatively new concept, all the studies done on gender dysphoria/transgender/transsexual people has always been done on binary trans people. Of course, the things they've found through those studies can still apply to non-binary/agender people just they'd be applied slightly differently (Brain-sex theory for instance.) Dysphoria is present in agender/non-binary people, just it's a different sort of dysphoria, that and I imagine if they seek reassignment surgery it would be slightly different than binary trans people, but not an entirely different concept. I'm sure in the future we'll see more information.
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Posted 6/21/14 , edited 6/21/14

zebrathinker wrote:

thankfully in my own personal community bubble no one has accused me of that. im agender, which is usually something along with nonbinary that gets hit with the "not trans enough" thing a looot

idk what makes me agender it just.... feels correct u know?


...Maybe this graph will help you find out where you fit better?



ie: If take gender as a 2 dimensional characteristic, not a one dimensional thing (dividing male and female on a line). So you don't identify with either of the genders, that makes you agender/neutrois. Identifying with both can make you a whole bunch of things (bigender, crossdresser, two-spirit, etc)


Charizam wrote:

I don't get the point in having 5+ different names for things, cause not only is there bigender and genderfluid there is genderqueer as well. (Which I have a problem with due to queer being a slur and I don't want it associated with anyone due to connotations.) I mean, I won't stop people from using the words do whatever, I just don't see the point.

Also, I don't see how gender fluidity/bigender could be associated with agender? Seeing as agender is the absence of a gender. I guess I can see it associated with non-binary which as those that fall out of the binary, but bigender/genderfluid does have 'gender' they're just both masculine and feminine which are both binary, but because you'd be both it wouldn't really be 'binary' anymore...



Because people like to chose a word to identify themselves that they feel comfortable using? I don't see why you would need to have a problem with it, just ask them how they identify. Putting people into boxes yourself is generally dehumanizing anyway, so let them choose the box if they really feel the need.
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Because people like to chose a word to identify themselves that they feel comfortable using? I don't see why you would need to have a problem with it, just ask them how they identify. Putting people into boxes yourself is generally dehumanizing anyway, so let them choose the box if they really feel the need.


Not binary, so it's denary?
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Natier wrote:


Jsybird2532 wrote:

Because people like to chose a word to identify themselves that they feel comfortable using? I don't see why you would need to have a problem with it, just ask them how they identify. Putting people into boxes yourself is generally dehumanizing anyway, so let them choose the box if they really feel the need.


Not binary, so it's denary?


That word (denary) AGAIN. Don't tell me you are who I think you are (there was someone else on here who bugged me about that word). But no, It's not denary either, gender isn't measured in a discrete fashion with only a specific finite set of values to choose, it's measured on a continuum where you can pick an infinite number of values.
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it's measured on a continuum where you can pick an infinite number of values.


It's analogue then? That person must have liked you a lot.
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Natier wrote:


Jsybird2532 wrote:

it's measured on a continuum where you can pick an infinite number of values.


It's analogue then? That person must have liked you a lot.


(nod to the first part, second I have no damn clue)

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