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Posted 7/5/14

Chopsuey9444 wrote:

I understand and agree that Glenn Beck is a sensationalist idiot, but that quote does hold truth.


What is meant by political correctness in that quote?
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Chopsuey9444 wrote:

I understand and agree that Glenn Beck is a sensationalist idiot, but that quote does hold truth.


What is meant by political correctness in that quote?


It means that If we were to prevent others from saying or discussing anything uncomfortable and offensive, it wouldn't fix the stigma that causes the discomfort in the first place. Let's use racism as an example. Let's say I was a radio talk show host and a racist. If I were to say something on air that could potentially be met with backlash from a particular race, you could fire me, but it wouldn't make me or society any less racist.

Politically correctness sounds good on paper, but when you reach the extremes that we are heading towards right now, you are intruding on one's right to express one's opinions, even if it is not well met. Whatever that can be fixed simply through education, or by growing a pair, politically correctness simply veils it.

Sorry I couldn't reply sooner. I had to put in a lot more thought than I usually do.
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Posted 7/5/14 , edited 7/5/14

Chopsuey9444 wrote:


FlyinDumpling wrote:


Chopsuey9444 wrote:

Political correctness doesn't solve the problems of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. It's only a mask to hide the issues, like how ostriches bury their heads underneath the dirt to avoid danger. In fact, I believe it only encourages more ignorance. Seriously, people really need to grow a backbone and some thicker skin.
Your statement masks the issues. What better way to bury a problem than to tell people the problem doesn't exist?


I'm not trying to say people should avoid the problem, I intend the opposite. People need to get out of their comfort zone and deal with the problem head-on instead of masking it. Political correctness only perpetuates social stigmas.



No one should quote Glenn Beck... like, ever.
Unless it is to prove what a massive fuckhead he is...
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Chopsuey9444 wrote:


FlyinDumpling wrote:


Chopsuey9444 wrote:

Political correctness doesn't solve the problems of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. It's only a mask to hide the issues, like how ostriches bury their heads underneath the dirt to avoid danger. In fact, I believe it only encourages more ignorance. Seriously, people really need to grow a backbone and some thicker skin.
Your statement masks the issues. What better way to bury a problem than to tell people the problem doesn't exist?


I'm not trying to say people should avoid the problem, I intend the opposite. People need to get out of their comfort zone and deal with the problem head-on instead of masking it. Political correctness only perpetuates social stigmas.



No one should quote Glenn Beck... like, ever.
Unless it is to prove what a massive fuckhead he is...


Sheesh, did anybody read the quote? lol
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I don't see how, necessarily, being PC masks the stigmas. When I was a kid, we used to just call it being polite to people, but now there's a whole word.

But everybody has their own definition of Political Correctness, people should define these terms when they try to discuss it with others. Glenn Beck has a very, very different idea of what he views Political Correctness as, Americans view socialism as full blown Iron Curtain communism when it isn't, so it can be helpful.

These issues of racism, homophobia, need to be openly discussed if there ever will be a solution to these problems. The problem is, people can use the entire PC debate to say as much racist and stupid shit as they want ('You're stifling my free speech!'), as they can use being PC to 'shut others up'.

The right to free speech does indeed mean you can say whatever you want. It does not, however, mean you can't be objectively wrong, it does not mean what you're saying is right, and it does not mean people have to respect your opinions.

So what do people mean when they say "Political Correctness shuts us up"? I'd be interested to hear why people think that. Beyond whats already been said. Firing a racist radio personality does indeed help solve the problem because it takes away the voice of people that use it to influence others of their racist/whatever views. Firing somebody for slipping up and accidentally saying "faggot" however, is another issue entirely. The thing is though, some people come to mind in this example like Glenn Beck and others, Rush Limbaugh, who have an entirely flawed view of race and racism itself. Lots of people do. I certainly believe that THEY believe what they are doing may help racism, but their views and actions have an entirely different effect on people than what they think it does.
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Chopsuey9444 wrote:

It means that If we were to prevent others from saying or discussing anything uncomfortable and offensive, it wouldn't fix the stigma that causes the discomfort in the first place. Let's use racism as an example. Let's say I was a radio talk show host and a racist. If I were to say something on air that could potentially be met with backlash from a particular race, you could fire me, but it wouldn't make me or society any less racist.


In this hypothetical you're not actually prevented from expressing racist opinions or engaging in dialogue about race in general, which is what Beck is saying political correctness does. Instead, your speech is so regulated only as long as you are a personality considered to be speaking on behalf of my radio station, and therefore someone whose words have a direct and immediate impact on my business. By firing you I wouldn't be trying to suppress your opinion, but rather would simply be making the statement that my business and I will not be associated with racist views. You'd be perfectly free to express those views after your termination.

That is, unless we're talking about speech which would incite people to commit unlawful acts or hate speech. Then I'd be firing you for your racism, but justifiably so since in those cases your speech would either be contributing to a broader pattern of harassment in your workplace (the latter) or inciting others to break the law (the former). True, these sort of regulations of speech won't make hypothetical "you" any less racist, and true, they won't alleviate the sting of the words you'd probably be slinging about. But such standards give the people who suffer substantive harm at the hands of hypothetical "you" legal recourse against "your" abuse.


Politically correctness sounds good on paper, but when you reach the extremes that we are heading towards right now, you are intruding on one's right to express one's opinions, even if it is not well met. Whatever that can be fixed simply through education, or by growing a pair, politically correctness simply veils it.


Could I have an example of viewpoint discrimination which is either already enshrined in either state or federal law, or which is on some legislative docket for discussion? I'm not sure I see the movement toward viewpoint discrimination that you're looking at.


Sorry I couldn't reply sooner. I had to put in a lot more thought than I usually do.


Reply at whatever pace you find most convenient. If that's a few hours, it's a few hours. If it's a week, it's a week. I appreciate your thoughtful response, and look forward to further dialogue with you.
Posted 9/21/14

Maybe it does if you have to work in the public. Absolutely. Lose lips sink ships.
Posted 9/21/14
i read title as 'political connectness'

hey, i believe in scapegoatism
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