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When women say they want to be treated as equals...
Posted 6/23/14
Okay, so I've been just sick and tired of all the feminist crap I see and hear everywhere. I am just over it. My mind has been made up that all feminists are delusional crybabies who think that all men are evil and sent by the "patriarchy" to mistreat and pretty much enslave all women. This "patriarchal" world is absolutely misogynistic and would stop at nothing to see ALL women trampled underneath the feet of men. Yes, that's sooooo correct...

Anyway, a lot of them always say the same thing where they demand equality and they wanted to be treated equal to men. That ultimately made me wonder if they really know what they're talking about when it comes to that. I mean, if women were to really be equal with men, then women should also be drafted during times of war. Women should also start receiving the same length and severity of punishment as the men do for committing the same crimes. Women should also be equally prosecuted & charged for domestic violence. Older women and pregnant women will no longer be more entitled to a seat in a bus than an older man or a man carrying a ton of groceries. Women would no longer be given priority in rescues and relief operations. Women can no longer rely on the protection of men and would be expected to be perfectly capable of defending themselves in times of emergency. Women can no longer have a maternity leave unless their husband is also given a paternity leave at the same time (except for single parents of course). The list goes on, but I'm hoping you can see my point. I'm not really sure that's what they want.

Just think about everyday situations. I've been around guys my entire life. Having grown up closer to my brother than to my sister, my friends have always been guys. I also now work at a game store / hobby shop where it's almost always all guys in the store. I would like to think they always treated me as an equal, but in retrospect I do believe that that's not been the case and perhaps it wasn't all that bad that it wasn't. Why? Because now that I think about it, I always got / and still get treated better than everyone else. Being a female has always warranted me a certain level of courtesy, if you will, from the males around me. I was never pushed to do the ridiculous stupid stuff the other guys had to do nor was I spoken to as crassly as the other guys. I've also been treated somewhat more delicately than everyone else, which I guess is kind of insulting, but quite flattering as well since they at least seemed to care more for my well-being than they did for the others'. I, however, cannot recall an instance where I felt like I was being treated as though I was lower than anyone else. I don't remember being belittled at all. If anything, I felt as though I was free to push them around as much as I wanted. I remember one time when my cousin, my brother, and I were playing and I conspired with my cousin to convince my brother to lick the end of a plugged-in adapter.. Lol.. We actually got him to do it and we laughed hysterically as he cried and ran to my mom to tell on us.

Okay, I guess this is getting quite lengthy so I should probably wrap it up. Girls, just think about this for one second, okay? Think about your bf or husband or fiance or even your male friends. Then think about how they treat or interact with their male friends or buddies or just other males in general. That, I would imagine, is probably how they normally treat someone who is their "equal." (Correct me guys if I'm wrong.) Now, think of how he treats you. Is it worse than how he treats them? Or better yet, would YOU want him to treat you like that? I, personally, wouldn't mind it, but I do appreciate the fact that it's not how I'm treated. I guess in that respect, I'm sort of a hypocrite... Because as much as I would love for equality, I still appreciate (and welcome) random acts of chivalry from guys.

So, what about you, what do you think?

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or share your own experiences, especially if they're completely different from mine. I would love to learn more about this topic.


P.S. Guys, do you think you treat women equally? If not, do you treat them better or worse than you do other guys?
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From an entrance standpoint, women have it easier getting into medical school than men.
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Even holding a door for someone or anyone, I'm having a dilemma.

I want to be courteous but I also want the person coming in not to take things for granted.
I want that person to be independent, and he/she should open that door himself/herself.

Damn, you Beyonce and Ne-yo. You and your Independent Women songs.
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Remember those 300 Christian girls sold into sexual slavery in Nigeria by that Islamic group for daring to get an education? Those millions of women whose bodies are mutilated for the pleasure (and honor (cough)) of men? I wish feminists cared just a little bit more about these women and had more appreciation living in countries like America. Men have it rough these days; there are fewer male graduates from college than women and men are portrayed as buffoons in most media.
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I agree. I've been around men my whole life, as well. And they do treat me as equals. Some treat me like one of the "dudes" per se, and some treat me with less intensity than their male friends. And I don't mind that, they just know I'm more laid back and awkward. Not because of my gender. I am sick of all the misinterpreted feminism, just as you are.

That "not all men" thing is completely ludicrous. They're saying "don't say 'not all men' because that's leaving out the men who rape people!" not necessarily... It's true not all men think think this is a man's world. It's true they want equality, too. And all men are getting shit on because of these "feminists". Why can't we just respect one another?
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I'm not agains females/woman, I'm agains feminists since they say that they want equality... Then why don't they just call them selfs equalists or something. Anyway, I treat everyone as a equal unless given a reason to treat someone in another way.
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I'm always going to treat girls nicer than I will another guy, When I was in high school I was in the school's NJROTC unit and if we had to get on a bus the girls got on first, if a guy tried to get on the bus first he was pulled aside and had to do 10 push-ups before loading on to the bus. If we were in formation and came upon a door the first guy had to run ahead to open it never a girl even if she was in command. I spent 4 years in that unit so it's drilled into me.
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I'd say that the problem we're looking at here is the masses of people, discussions like religion, gay rights, racism, feminism etc .. are sort of those standard points of discussion that every person feels the need to jump on one side of the fence, people LOVE being a part of something, a team, a group, people want a sense of idendity, and when you deal with the masses like you're talking about, things always get massively dumbed down, whatever the subject is, in this case, feminism, i agree 100% with you, a lot of women that are self-entitled feminists argue really silly things like " men objectify me, i can't even walk around in a short skirt" , but as a lot of women told me on different threads here, there are still organized groups and women that actually fight for equality, so i guess your whole rant could be applied to any of those subjects that the masses love to take part on
I just wish instead of dividing ourselves into groups and have pointless arguements over who gets the worst hand of cards in life, can't we just fight for humans ? everyone with a bit of common sense knows that looking down on someone or just being douchy because of their gender/ethnicity/nationality/sexual preference is something assholes do, can't we all just agree that assholes exist and move on to more important subjects like starvation death and poverty ?
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I like to be respected just like every other human being. I don't care if you're male or female. As along you respect each other, you're good person.

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Some things regarding pregnancy you stated I disagree with. After all a woman goes on maternity leave not merely to prepare for the child but because her body isn't capable of as much work. But as for drafting, punishment, domestic violence charges, and special treatment I will proudly proclaim that yes, if it means equal treatment for all, I want those for women. I am a feminist, a TRUE feminist I would like to believe, in that I want both the bad and the good that comes in equality for women.
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Well, it's okay to treat a lover better than anyone else. Presumably, the woman has the sense to treat her lover better, as well. That's due to the relationship rather than gender.

Otherwise, yeah, there's no reason to treat a woman with any special kindness, since they aren't heavily handicapped by society these days. Not counting all those backwards countries outside of Europe and the USA, that is.

Now, I've not been raped personally, but I can see how it would be a little annoying. Not sure why it comes up in a discussion about gender equality, however. It's kind of like bringing up how men suffer more heart attacks than women. Doesn't really affect anything. The police and doctors are doing their best.
Posted 6/23/14

outerheaven139 wrote:

I'd say that the problem we're looking at here is the masses of people, discussions like religion, gay rights, racism, feminism etc .. are sort of those standard points of discussion that every person feels the need to jump on one side of the fence, people LOVE being a part of something, a team, a group, people want a sense of idendity, and when you deal with the masses like you're talking about, things always get massively dumbed down, whatever the subject is, in this case, feminism, i agree 100% with you, a lot of women that are self-entitled feminists argue really silly things like " men objectify me, i can't even walk around in a short skirt" , but as a lot of women told me on different threads here, there are still organized groups and women that actually fight for equality, so i guess your whole rant could be applied to any of those subjects that the masses love to take part on
I just wish instead of dividing ourselves into groups and have pointless arguements over who gets the worst hand of cards in life, can't we just fight for humans ? everyone with a bit of common sense knows that looking down on someone or just being douchy because of their gender/ethnicity/nationality/sexual preference is something assholes do, can't we all just agree that assholes exist and move on to more important subjects like starvation death and poverty ?


Those ARE quite important and heavy topics.. How do you suggest we remedy them? The problem why they are not as openly nor as easily tackled is because they are issues that require serious changes in government policies and the general distribution of wealth in the world. These are things that simple rallies and discussions and ideology changes just cannot fix. Even if we change the way we think or the way we view every human being as a society, those issues will not fix themselves so long as the powers that be don't put all their efforts into fixing them. Can we try to push them to do it? Of course we can. Will it happen? Maybe... Unless we eradicate the old systems and reinstate a new one that we designate specifically to focus on those issues, we will never know.
Posted 6/23/14
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Posted 6/23/14 , edited 6/23/14

leolachante wrote:

Some things regarding pregnancy you stated I disagree with. After all a woman goes on maternity leave not merely to prepare for the child but because her body isn't capable of as much work. But as for drafting, punishment, domestic violence charges, and special treatment I will proudly proclaim that yes, if it means equal treatment for all, I want those for women. I am a feminist, a TRUE feminist I would like to believe, in that I want both the bad and the good that comes in equality for women.


Perhaps so, but unless her work requires much physical labor, I don't think she should be given more time than is necessary to have the baby and recover.. I would understand that in difficult or complicated pregnancies, that may not be the case though.

I'm quite glad that you are all for complete equality. No double standards. That's good. So I would just like to know, out of curiosity. What's your stance on Chivalry?


Kavalion wrote:

Well, it's okay to treat a lover better than anyone else. Presumably, the woman has the sense to treat her lover better, as well. That's due to the relationship rather than gender.

Otherwise, yeah, there's no reason to treat a woman with any special kindness, since they aren't heavily handicapped by society these days. Not counting all those backwards countries outside of Europe and the USA, that is.

Now, I've not been raped personally, but I can see how it would be a little annoying. Not sure why it comes up in a discussion about gender equality, however. It's kind of like bringing up how men suffer more heart attacks than women. Doesn't really affect anything. The police and doctors are doing their best.


I didn't consider that.. I do see how that can affect the responses. Thanks.
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Remember those 300 Christian girls sold into sexual slavery in Nigeria by that Islamic group for daring to get an education? Those millions of women whose bodies are mutilated for the pleasure (and honor (cough)) of men? I wish feminists cared just a little bit more about these women and had more appreciation living in countries like America. Men have it rough these days; there are fewer male graduates from college than women and men are portrayed as buffoons in most media.


never seen a comment on one of these kinds of threads that i agree so much with

those poor girls Gotta say though, I respect Michelle Obama very much for raising awareness and advocating the search for them.

ah well, i guess we just focus on the problems right before us and simply don't look beyond them.
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