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When women say they want to be treated as equals...
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This is really what feminism is:

If someone tells you otherwise, their batshit crazy and not a real feminist.
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demongurrl13 wrote:

Okay, so I've been just sick and tired of all the feminist crap I see and hear everywhere. I am just over it. My mind has been made up that all feminists are delusional crybabies who think that all men are evil and sent by the "patriarchy" to mistreat and pretty much enslave all women. This "patriarchal" world is absolutely misogynistic and would stop at nothing to see ALL women trampled underneath the feet of men. Yes, that's sooooo correct... ]


That's not feminism. It isn't about having your status being higher than a man or hating as well. People have gotten confused/forgot on what it truly means. Feminists are wanting equal rights for men and women as well. I have seen some say and ask, "Why is it okay for a woman to do this and not men?" It's not just for women but men as well. It was never meaning to hate women. It's why I am confused when I see some go, "Oh, I'm not one because I love men. I don't hate them" That's not what it means.

I admit, I was raised more and by males but I still hang out and treat everyone the same. Man or woman. It goes down by what you are thinking for yourself and not letting anyone change your views. Plus, I have seen first hand that women were put down for their gender and females don't get paid equally. I didn't think its right thus why I am one today. I would prefer and see a gender blind society even though I know that's never gonna happen.

I don't really care what gender they are as long as they are nice as well. Everyone should naturally equally.
Posted 6/23/14 , edited 6/23/14
Well, well.

I have no issue with women getting drafted per se, so long as when there are minors in the draftee's family, there is a stable guardian available whom the children feel trust and normalcy towards (because spending taxes on therapy/rehab/criminal intervention for these displaced kids later? No thank you).

As far as the (naïve) assumptions of generalized exaggerated feminine angst towards men are concerned, when there are debates on Twitter titled #notallwomen vs. #yesallmen, I'll begin to believe things have evened out, nicely.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/05/27/not_all_men_how_discussing_women_s_issues_gets_derailed.html
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Considering I grew up mostly isolated from society, I'd have to say things would be more equal in my eyes if women acted more masculine sometimes, and men acted more feminine sometimes. When you define yourself as completely one side, you blind yourself from the other. If you try to understand the opposite gender, I believe equality would follow. You can kinda see it in some of the homosexual people out there, since some see how both sides work. It's just important not to get TOO into the other gender that you forget your own.

Like now I have a thing where I prefer the gender roles are reversed, and honestly seeing things or making them like that is kinda fun. It really helps trying to be a devil's advocate in certain circumstances, such as this.
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Where exactly are these legions of rabid feminists? I hear people complaining about feminists saying this-or-that more often than I actually hear feminists saying outlandish stuff. I guess I live under a rock or something.

As far as I can tell, there are hard questions about what equality should mean, and a lot of people - feminists or not, male or female - are pretty reasonable about it.

Edit: one more thought: the door-holding thing (and other chivarly-related things) should really be a non-issue. Sometimes I open a door for a female, sometimes for a male, and sometimes for no one 'cause I'm in a hurry.
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Posted 6/23/14
feminists want equality
more like empowering men.
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Women already have all the power in the world regardless of their education or status. It's called sex appeal.
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35 / M / Birmingham, AL
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I'm a feminist. I go all the way with the equality thing from business and schooling opportunities to sports opportunities and military equality (including any possible future drafts.)

I'm put off by any celebration of male caveman behaviour in general, especially toward women. I believe that part of being an advanced civilization is that we don't have to be slaves to our baser instincts and can choose our own destiny, and that those of us who choose to be unreasonably animalistic have no right to force their ideals on everyone else. Thus, I do not believe in any sacredness of traditional gender roles, with the exception of that which is biologically unalterable (like childbirth.) Whatever fulfills you and gives you a happy life, as long as you're not directly hurting anyone else, is fine with me.

This article gave me a lot to think about: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/05/_yesallwomen_in_the_wake_of_elliot_rodger_why_it_s_so_hard_for_men_to_recognize.html

Misogyny is deeply ingrained in American society to the point where a lot of us don't even see it. Something I wrote somewhere else to a guy who had his feelings hurt that women didn't want to listen to him pontificate on his insanely incorrect perception of the equality of gender-biased violence:


I mean, come on. How often in your life have you thought to yourself, "Man, I sure hope I don't get raped between now and when I get where I'm going." Total number of times in my life I've thought that: zero. That's freedom, right there. My girlfriend doesn't enjoy that freedom. That's pretty fucked up, wouldn't you agree?


And it's not a zero-sum game. Being opposed to systemic misogyny in America that doesn't take the form of overwhelming brutal oppression doesn't mean that one is blind to or disrespectful of such brutality elsewhere in the world. And recognizing that one thing is really bad shouldn't mean that something comparatively less bad but still awful is okay or acceptable.

The fact that there are women who use sex appeal to get their way, or that there are some who are violent, doesn't magically mean that women on the whole do not suffer oppression.
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I mean, come on. How often in your life have you thought to yourself, "Man, I sure hope I don't get raped between now and when I get where I'm going." Total number of times in my life I've thought that: zero. That's freedom, right there. My girlfriend doesn't enjoy that freedom. That's pretty fucked up, wouldn't you agree?


Well considering I was sexually abused as a child, yes the thought crosses my mind. Also, men are much more frequently violently assaulted and killed, and trust me that thought crosses my mind every time I'm out and about after the sun goes down. I also love how people tend to think rape, or any kind of sexual abuse for that matter, is worse then being killed. It kinda rubs me the wrong way, considering my past. What was I supposed to do? Lay over and die? No, I picked myself back up and got stronger.
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I just treat everyone the same, honestly.

Edit: I do tend to treat my female relatives and friends with more courtesy.
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I honestly don't know much about feminism, But I treat people the same.
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What do I think of feminism? I think the idea of women wanting and obtaining equal rights is great and has been achieved. And before someone points out the wage gap, etc. I just want to point out that there are plenty of women in the USA; especially in the South, where they intentionally choose the old school route of either stay at home mom, or secondary jobs as waitress and nothing more. So unless those figures are adjusted for same exact jobs and broken down by state, and blue collar/white collar then don't bother citing the statistic because it will likely be a waste of everyone's time.

But beyond civil liberties, complaining how other people act towards one gender or another is fine in and of itself. I have no problem really with people complaining, although I certainly have my own opinions. In fact, sexism does exist in society, but unless the law actually oppresses you then being a zealot about it only makes the situation worse.

What I really have a problem with is the mass blaming of entire groups, such as white male society, that generally comes along with it. That is exactly what happened with the #YesAllWomen thing. And frankly, even without that mass lump-in and completely irrational blame game, I thought it was tactless to hijack a tragedy for a personal agenda. The individual perpetrator almost always gets lost behind the great stereotypes of men, gun owners, and mentally ill people. Some "civilization" we are.
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yes all ppl should be treated =

this problem/conflict occurred

because of the story of Adam and Eve, then about 2 centuries after that you got stories of Goddesses trying to justify being Sluts/whores and attempting to pretty much ruin anyone's life's, and you got stories of regular women doing witch craft, also depicted as deceivers in stories using their beauty to take advantage of ppl -- ancient Greek stories + Roman and Egyptian


also did you know women in medieval European society women were the only ones who can move up in the hierarchy, yes for some it caused great grief, and for some other well they took advantage of it.


but also in the exact same stories you got men who pretty much did the same thing, it was just justified as being "heroic" --- also ancient Greek Stories + Roman and Egyptian

it because of these stories passed down through the generation + how fucked up hierarchy and monarchy were, that this conflict exist


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+ all these conflicts arisen at the start of civilization when nations and national boundaries were being formed

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To be honest, as a man who grew up around all women, and I plan on putting this as simply as possible: all humans should be treated as humans and only as humans. If a woman is pregnant, to go off the example, then that should be treated as just someone who is a little more delicate at that time in their life due out of an objective understanding of the female anatomy so people should adjust to adhere to her needs simply and only because she needs the help as a human being (and this assuming she is even requesting help in the first place). Sure, it's an exclusive issue only to women, but assisting her is the humane thing to do, not because its the "chivalrous thing to do" (to be honest, chivalry seems ridiculous to me: do the right thing because its the right thing, not because of social obligation).

If a man having an emotional time in his life where he needs to talk about his feelings and sort them out though his own process, he shouldn't have to suck it up and be a man; it should be treated as any other natural human problem. Men aren't here to be unmovable rocks or protectors because they are physically strong; they are human beings who are simply trying to live their lives and they have moments of weakness. To me, most of these stereotypes are inherently created out of need to maintain a form of social obligation that is ridiculous to adhere to; it is merely a relic of an older generation that didn't see humans as humans, but as races, sexes, or any other form of differentiating factor that coins value out of a human being depending on who is in power.

In other words: people should adapt to the state that another human being is in, not because they are a man or a woman, but because they are a human being with needs./i]

And plainly to me, women should have every right to fight for their rights because, yes, not everything for women is equal in a way that they can be treated as normal human beings, such as equal pay as well as sexist stereotypes regarding fragility (and I can keep going on), but the same thing goes for men who are trying to become stay-at-home dads or who are trying to get into a job market where he might be denied a job because "the company needs more women" even if he has all of the qualifications needed to get the job.

I do not promote reverse sexism, reverse racism, any reverse prejudice at all as I also do not support sexism, racism, heterosexism -- also know as homophobia, but "homophobia is a ridiculous term because it suggests they have a psychological "fear of gay people") -- and any for of prejudice that exist in the world. And to wrap this up, I have one closing statement that shall tie in my point:

Humanity will never be equal until we come to understand that we are humans and nothing else beyond our individual selves

Can such a world be achieved: that is a question for a philosopher and perhaps it might, perhaps not, but that should be left up to another forum (feel free to start one if you want), but that is my answer.

And here's a picture of some goons from a great show called Gintama:

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demongurrl13 wrote:


I see where you're coming from, but hear me out. I'm not a feminist, I'm not anything. I'm just human.
It's a waste of my time to type out anything long in regards to this topic. However, you're looking at things from your point of view. Don't forget that things are happening all over the world, and not all countries are as evolved in certain regards as countries like Australia, New Zealand and the USA.

There are countries in which domestic violence is, or has been, legal in the near past and where if the wife was subject to domestic violence, the one to be punished was her. There are countries where groups of men admit, and aren't ashamed, of the fact that they rape and gang rape children and women (men too, but in most cases two-thirds of their victims are women). Many of the ways that women are dehumanized are happening to children to (regardless of gender) simply because they are viewed in the same manner that these individuals are viewing women - helpless, weak and insignificant.

Have you heard of the situation in Chibok? Where 500 school girls went missing and nothing was being done about it. What do you think would've happened if that situation had occured in say America? Do you think the government would've sat back and done nothing about it while these girls, aged as young as 9, were being sold for $12.50 into marriages?

Feminism and women's right. No, ALL rights are not just applicable to people like us who are lucky to live in much better conditions than many people around the world. Even so, we experience some very dehumanizing things that should not be occuring. These rights - whether for women, children, LGBT - they aren't just for us, they are for everyone. As some of the world's most evolved, renowned and "powerful" countries, we have to set a good example for others to strive for and follow.
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