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When women say they want to be treated as equals...
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Posted 6/24/14
I personally think that most women today don't want to be equals to men, they want to be superior - and the legal landscape has fed into the radical feminist agenda, but overall women want equal rights when it's convenient for them. They want equal rights without equal responsibilities or accountability.

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Posted 6/24/14 , edited 6/24/14
I just hate when fem-Nazis believe that if you're not for feminism, you're for inequality.

Wtf, really? There is more than one way to promote gender equality, retard.

I'm against feminism. If you have the right to even bring it up and create organizations and start movements without being struck down after all this time by the government or by society, YOU'RE NOT OPPRESSED. If you bring up feminism and you don't think anything of women in third-world countries who can't even speak out because the society is THAT male-dominated, you are a phony and shouldn't call yourself a feminist. You just want things to be more convenient for you.

Another problem is that feminism focuses on women, leaving out men. Even if you have the best of intentions, you're leaving out half the population in your efforts. Why not just promote equality without bringing up race or gender or whatnot. You amplify the issue by bringing it under the microscope and dissecting it into a million parts.
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People have different levels of knowledge on different subjects, different strengths and weaknesses, different skill levels.

Technically, no two people are equal at any given time. One is superior to the other according to the subject or criteria at hand.

It means you're superior to a lot of other people. It also means you're inferior to a lot of other people. Once you realize this, it solves a lot of problems.

I'm a big guy, so if my place was on fire and I was out cold, I would want a big burly dude pulling me out, not a small, brave woman. Because physics. That's just how it is. It's not that she couldn't, but if I had to roll the dice, I know which gender I'd want it to fall on. So there are not just mental differences, but physical ones too.

So where should the respect come from? That each person, given the right drive and influences, could be better than you at anything you pride yourself on. To me, that's what real equality is.
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^Good point.

I'll be more specific when I talk about equality. Equality in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of employers is what I'm putting on the top of the list. Not individual worth. Individual worth varies and fluctuates but the law should be impartial, humane and moral. How a person is punished should not be determined by how much wealth or talent he/she has. If a person is punished for a crime, all who commit the same crime should be punished the same way. If a person does some work and gets paid, all who do that same type of work in the same amount/quality should be paid the same, etc.

Yeah, some people are stronger, smarter, better singers, better at planning, etc. But individual latent worth should not dictate how a person is treated. A person should be compensated or punished based on what they bring out to society.

What a lot of people don't seem to get is that differences do exist and that it is foolish to ignore them. You're right in that regard. I don't expect to have to pay a female factory worker the same amount if she does less work than the men and that's not sexist, I'm looking at how much work she is getting done. And I don't expect to have to pay a male tailor the same amount if his female coworker does a better job and produces more items and that's not sexist, I'm looking at the work they are doing.
Posted 6/24/14 , edited 6/24/14
Ah, so it begins. No one likes to hear the truth when it's spoken.

The OP specifically wrote: "So, what about you, what do you think? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or share your own experiences, especially if they're completely different from mine. I would love to learn more about this topic."

And that's exactly what I did, but everyone seems to be upset. Gee, I wonder why? Is it because I hit a nerve? Did I call out your ignorance?

If you don't like what I had to say then ignore me. It's really not that hard. I followed the OP's guidelines which I quoted above.

Just because it was long doesn't mean that it was somehow "wrong" or "proves" whatever ill-informed, caricaturization you have of feminists and feminism.

If my post somehow "made me think twice about [learning how to formulate a better understanding of the topic]" then that's on you.

If you didn't want to see others voice their opinions that differ from "I've been just sick and tired of all the feminist crap I see and hear everywhere. I am just over it. My mind has been made up that all feminists are delusional crybabies who think that all men are evil and sent by the 'patriarchy' to mistreat and pretty much enslave all women. This 'patriarchal' world is absolutely misogynistic and would stop at nothing to see ALL women trampled underneath the feet of men. Yes, that's sooooo correct... " then maybe you should've thought twice about making this forum.

If you can't handle people having different opinions from you and then allowing them have such radical influences over you, then maybe you shouldn't be on the internet.

Oh, and for the person who said "I find it hard to even believe that there are anyone in any western country that hates females," I really question what world you're living in because it's not reality. Just because the people you know "look at females/woman as their equal" (but do they treat women as their equal? As a human being?) doesn't mean that every male on the face of the earth does. Your immediate perception of the world does not override reality.
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I actually can't help but treat girls better than guys lol I think of them better as well. Just how I am.

Also for taking a stand against the idiot feminists that have gone on a rampage online recently you are my new hero haha
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It not cause people don't want to hear, it's cause you presented it like a complete asshole (pardon my language). If your approach to different opinions is to be insulting, you really should be not surprise when the reaction isn't positive. If you can't even respect the other person, why would anyone listen to on respect for women and gender equality. I mean your response to demongurrl showed little more than contempt and disdain for her.

You can be the shouty feminist people quickly dismiss or you can talk to them like people and they may actually listen, even if disagree.

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My masochism makes me kinda want to be treated inferior...
Posted 6/24/14
Honestly, the concept of feminism is just so blurry and confusing to me now because of continuous misinterpretations and misrepresentations. All I know is that gender roles is a bad idea that never should have existed. Seriously, what's with humans and our obssession with labelling things and telling people what to do? It's like society's crappy desperate attempt at utopia which brings division and confusion instead. I think the world would be a much better place if everyone just respected and tolerated each other's individuality and each others beliefs. I think that's the only way we'll ever be equals, by acknowledging and respecting the fact that we are all born horribly unequal. Wow that doesn't make sense but whatever.
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Even if I did present it in the "most asshole way possible" according to you, people still would've been upset because I was offering an opinion that was different from them. The OP made her stance clear about feminists and feminism and I just offered my side on the whole thing. If she, and other people, don't like it then that's not my problem. (By the way I wasn't "surprised" by the reaction; I knew it was going to happen. Don't assume that I'm so naive.)

If my approach was "harsh" then maybe they should educate themselves somewhere else. I just answered OP's question. This is an internet forum. She and others can block me and/or ignore me if they don't like what I have to say on the subject matter.

Come on, now. This is the internet.
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MeikoAkizukiMB wrote:

If my approach was "harsh" then maybe they should educate themselves somewhere else. I just answered OP's question. This is an internet forum. She and others can block me and/or ignore me if they don't like what I have to say on the subject matter.

Come on, now. This is the internet.


Yet you've been pitching a fit over people disagreeing and recognizing your attitude for what it is. No one is making you put your hand in the fire, either.
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MeikoAkizukiMB wrote:

1. Even if I did present it in the "most asshole way possible" according to you, people still would've been upset because I was offering an opinion that was different from them. The OP made her stance clear about feminists and feminism and I just offered my side on the whole thing. If she, and other people, don't like it then that's not my problem. (By the way I wasn't "surprised" by the reaction; I knew it was going to happen. Don't assume that I'm so naive.)

If my approach was "harsh" then maybe they should educate themselves somewhere else. 2. I just answered OP's question. This is an internet forum. She and others can block me and/or ignore me if they don't like what I have to say on the subject matter.

3. Come on, now. This is the internet.


1. If you honestly believe that, then you are more delusional than anything else. There's nothing wrong about different opinions. I haven't posted against or gotten upset at others who shared different opinions or disagreed with what I've said. It's not necessarily your opinion that's unacceptable. It's your attitude and condescension towards someone whose opinions does not agree with yours (which apparently according to you are all automatically wrong) and your pseudo-psychoanalytical attempt at trying to tell me why I think the way I think that made me disregard everything you said as internet feminazi garbage. Basically, I don't have an obligation to listen to or even consider the opinions of someone closed-minded enough to chuck my own opinions as simple misogyny-influenced ignorance.

2. You answered nothing. You basically just launched a shaming and guilt-tripping attack on me by picking out random quotes from my post and then proceeding to tell me how I'm wrong and am very ignorant about the world and other women and all their issues and how I, myself, am really a misogynist created by the men (whom I all love and adore, by the way) in my life.

3. I will agree with you on that though. This IS the internet. Thus, your single-mindedness and inability to engage in proper discourse is to be expected, I guess.. Oh, well...

As for everyone else who've posted insightful responses, I thank you all. Also to the other feminists who responded in a civil and educated manner without feeling the need to attack anyone or belittle their opinions, you have gained my admiration. Perhaps it's not too much of a lost cause after all..
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No matter how you might shake a stick at it.. There is no true equality when it comes to interacting with others. There will always be something, no matter how big or small it may be. No matter how you might shake a stick at it. There is true equality when it comes to interacting with others. There will always be nothing to prevent equal interactions between others.
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MeikoAkizukiMB wrote:

Anyhow, I did my job.





Varors wrote:

No matter how you might shake a stick at it.. There is no true equality when it comes to interacting with others. No matter how you might shake a stick at it. There is true equality when it comes to interacting with others.


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oh god someones bitter



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And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I cannot stand feminism and listening to feminists. Because if anyone is doing the bullying in this society, it would be them.. Because although I clearly stated that I am merely pointing out my own experiences and asked others to share their own, I'm suddenly very much mistaken and "don't get it," thus being some kind of misogynist who hates herself as well.. That I should somehow be pitied for holding the beliefs I do and living the way I have is insulting to say the least.. And that I am somehow a complete ignorant who must be educated and made to realize that I am truly a victim of men and this extremely misogynistic society is very much just sickening.

I created this thread in the quest to gain knowledge because as I've mentioned perhaps I'm wrong and other people have had other experiences. And honestly, I've gained a lot by reading through the responses. I've realized that equality need not disregard common courtesy so long as it is granted to everyone.. I've also realized that some of my examples are too extreme especially regarding pregnant women. To be honest, I have very much enjoyed reading through and digesting everyone's post, that is until I got to this one..

My idea coming into this thread was that I would take in everything I can learn from it to help me formulate a better understanding of the topic and maybe, just maybe change my mind and my views on certain things. This post, however, has unfortunately made me think twice about doing that. Mostly out of spite from the sheer propaganda-like persuasion tactics being used to somehow guilt me or perhaps shame me into changing my mind and simply accepting the fact that women, myself include, are all victims of injustices perpetuated by men. But you know what, it's not gonna happen because I'm a free woman and I refuse to be told what to think and how I should feel about certain topics, not by men and not by women either. I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinions and conducting my own research, thank you very much. So please go and take your haughty, extremist ideals somewhere else because the only thing you've done here is solidify my disdain for modern day feminism.

P.S. Since Phogan posted the video already, I might as well post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2KPeMcYsuc which pretty much sums up my general experience and opinions on so-called feminists.


HOORAY! for intelligently coming to your own conclusion on this and not being bullied into an opinion. Or stooping to her level of insults and abuse.

If I could high five you over the internet I would. LOL

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