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A surrealism on the nature of Understanding
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You know, its interesting. When you are a little kid, you dont know much about the world, and everything was so simple. You lived in a world where black was black and white was white. But as you grow up, you begin to understand more things, and the more things you understand, the more confusing things become. Suddenly its not so black and white anymore, and good and evil are not so separate.

I suppose every decision we make and every belief we had is like a see-saw. When we are little, each decision we have to make, a see-saw sprouts into existence in our imagination. When we have little to no information on what we're deciding, what little information we have can tilt the see-saw either way. As we grow up and as we gain more knowledge of the world, we start piling more and more information on the see-saw. One piece of information doesn't change the direction much now, but the peculiar thing is, almost no see-saws are completely one-sided.(If you are older than 10 and still have only one sided see-saws, "Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!") Every single one of our decisions and beliefs have contradicting evidence pointing the other way.

Things start getting a little more complicated now, sometimes we need to use previous decisions to decide new things. So these see-saws start building on one another, now you have see-saws built ON see-saws and so on and so forth to create giant structures of evaluation. The best we can do now is estimate and try to guess which side is right and which side is wrong..and which is neither right nor wrong.

In this world, we can see logic as gravity and faith as...anti-gravity. Logic will take the facts and pull them down, the heavier they are, the more 'true' something is. But faith works in the opposite direction, it lifts facts up, so it doesn't matter how 'heavy' or 'true' a fact is, faith can cancel it out. That is what faith is. But you see, this system of see-saws doesn't exist in a room, there is no floor nor cieling(Meaning there are no absolutes). So logic(gravity) and faith(anti-gravity) need to work together to keep the system itself in place, it cant exist without either of them.

Throw that into the whole picture, I think I can see why people struggle so much on deciding what is right or wrong. Heh.
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excalion wrote:

You know, its interesting. When you are a little kid, you dont know much about the world, and everything was so simple. You lived in a world where black was black and white was white. But as you grow up, you begin to understand more things, and the more things you understand, the more confusing things become. Suddenly its not so black and white anymore, and good and evil are not so separate.

I suppose every decision we make and every belief we had is like a see-saw. When we are little, each decision we have to make, a see-saw sprouts into existence in our imagination. When we have little to no information on what we're deciding, what little information we have can tilt the see-saw either way. As we grow up and as we gain more knowledge of the world, we start piling more and more information on the see-saw. One piece of information doesn't change the direction much now, but the peculiar thing is, almost no see-saws are completely one-sided.(If you are older than 10 and still have only one sided see-saws, "Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!") Every single one of our decisions and beliefs have contradicting evidence pointing the other way.

Things start getting a little more complicated now, sometimes we need to use previous decisions to decide new things. So these see-saws start building on one another, now you have see-saws built ON see-saws and so on and so forth to create giant structures of evaluation. The best we can do now is estimate and try to guess which side is right and which side is wrong..and which is neither right nor wrong.

In this world, we can see logic as gravity and faith as...anti-gravity. Logic will take the facts and pull them down, the heavier they are, the more 'true' something is. But faith works in the opposite direction, it lifts facts up, so it doesn't matter how 'heavy' or 'true' a fact is, faith can cancel it out. That is what faith is. But you see, this system of see-saws doesn't exist in a room, there is no floor nor cieling(Meaning there are no absolutes). So logic(gravity) and faith(anti-gravity) need to work together to keep the system itself in place, it cant exist without either of them.

Throw that into the whole picture, I think I can see why people struggle so much on deciding what is right or wrong. Heh.
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u sed u wer high wen u wrote this. what exactly wer u smoking!?!?!? lol seriously tho thats a good point, and well explained, and i agree. life is much simpler wen ur a child, and that as we get older things do get more complicated.

to use an example, in a war wen we are little we think of the enemy as bad people, yet nw i cant help think that the people that are fighting against our country have lives and stories 2. its really complicated and i miss being young
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Although I didn`t get your see-saw explanation because I couldn`t read it properly `cause my mom is watching and the TV is loud and * insert more ranting here * , I somewhat understood the right and wrong part . In Religion , virtues are attitudes and habits that are most likely to tell what is right or wrong . Like ... when you learn smoking is bad , you know smoking is bad because society says so .

I`m a simple minded person and I like being simple minded . I`ve never thought about anything complicated unless I have to . I`m still a child and still think like one . Then my teacher killed my ' always being simple minded ' thinking . He told us [ my class ] not to assume everything is right . We won`t know anything unless we ask questions then he started ranting about this wise guy who doubted everything . He told us that the first thing that pops in our head is not the best idea .

Anyway , I too , miss my ' innocence ' . Whatever that is .
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Although I didn`t get your see-saw explanation because I couldn`t read it properly `cause my mom is watching and the TV is loud and * insert more ranting here * , I somewhat understood the right and wrong part . In Religion , virtues are attitudes and habits that are most likely to tell what is right or wrong . Like ... when you learn smoking is bad , you know smoking is bad because society says so .

I`m a simple minded person and I like being simple minded . I`ve never thought about anything complicated unless I have to . I`m still a child and still think like one . Then my teacher killed my ' always being simple minded ' thinking . He told us [ my class ] not to assume everything is right . We won`t know anything unless we ask questions then he started ranting about this wise guy who doubted everything . He told us that the first thing that pops in our head is not the best idea .

Anyway , I too , miss my ' innocence ' . Whatever that is .


the more you know and understand, the more crapshit or great things you learn

we all born from knowing anything but cry when first born.

accept the human nature of understanding and face the harshness of reality

its a struggle but you are not alone...

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We begin to accept things and think more, thats all~
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The first post is an example of intricate B.S. Everything was eplained in detail and there was a good use of imagery. The post also had a valid point. And I agreed with everything. Maybe you're wondering why? Everybody knows this or will soon learn about it. But a lot of people will deny it or try not to think about how the world is.
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As we grow up the shades of black and white shift to more gray tones. Not every thing is good and bad. People need to see the inbetweens or else their understanding of the world is very limited
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i like how you picture out understanding as a see-saw...

i agree about the gravity and anti-gravity thing...

faith and facts should always be balanced... it may not concern on religion but also concerns other things... when we were still children, we only see a limited portion of understanding life as it is... hence, what we see is what we get.

but as soon as more knowledge comes to our mind..we weigh everything based on our beliefs and our faith if this is right or wrong...

and sometimes, we acknowledge it as somthing we desern as a fact which cannot be changed. but in beliving that this really is fact we must have faith that it is.

and if these so called structures of understanding is collapsing....hence we try to understand more of it...

and answers given to the question will add more see-saws of understanding and the more we question things in order to achieve balance and more insight....

understanding is never ending, humans as we are will always question and will always gather more information.

thats just nature.
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thats cuz u MAKE it complicated... right and wrong are simply perspective, if u make it complicated then it'll turn complicated, i like to simplify things, black is black and white is still white for me, s'not that im not aware of the complications, i just choose to live simply and effectively, wat defines my right or wrong is the question "who will be sad?", if the answer is no one then i consider that the right decision
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if there's anything i've come to realise, it's that life is 90% bullshit, the other 10% is finding something that makes you happy. there is no right or wrong. only win or lose. we are the human animal and it's always been survival of the fittest and it will always be survival of the fittest
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The sttructure probably grows because we can't decide who we want to be happy first: ourselves or the world?
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The unknown hold a pleasant mystery over itself
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if you had explained it with "the bees were not really sucking honeys on the flowers" then i would've read the whole post, but agrees,and their is no such thing as right or wrong and the decisions you make is not your fault as because we lived in this forsaken earth that another mans mistake is the other ones fault, well not really. a reaction of some sort may have started from the plausible events from another time or place.
Posted 2/8/08
Well, as a child, people classify you as naive. Religious people who explain everything with God are called naive, too. With every single step to reality, you change. Your way of thinking, and your rationality will change, if you want it or not. It is said that you won't enter in the same river again tomorrow. Your thoughts, your mind, your view of reality will change with every day. Which means that you are not the same person as you were yesterday. All your five senses get impregnated by its surrounding. This will influence you, if you want it or not.
Certain people are thinking more simpler, and won't get so much influenced. They won't also question things that are served in front of their eyes. And then there are this people who are doubting everything. Question everything. Lets say that their way of thoughts is more complicated. Also they tend to pessimism, while simple-minded people tend to optimism. Pessimism could also be used as a synonym for realism, while optimism could be used for naivety. This doesn't necessarily mean that naive people are in any way less intelligent than realists. They just tend to ignore reality, and hide behind their religion and into their dream world. While realists look at everything with open eyes. Which makes many people think that they are pessimists. This will also influence your nature of understanding.

Sometimes I think that naive people have it easier than people like me. I tend to think too much, and try too much to understand my surrounding. This makes me act weird, and getting lost in my thoughts. I guess this might also lead to my introverted behaviour sometimes. And can make me look like a dreamer.
I say it is a blessing to be naive(sometimes). Honestly I wish sometimes to be naive. Just to get a break from this cruel reality.
I lost again my flow of thoughts. Sick.

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Posted 2/8/08

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thats cuz u MAKE it complicated... right and wrong are simply perspective, if u make it complicated then it'll turn complicated, i like to simplify things, black is black and white is still white for me, s'not that im not aware of the complications, i just choose to live simply and effectively, wat defines my right or wrong is the question "who will be sad?", if the answer is no one then i consider that the right decision


Someone will always be sad =(
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