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A surrealism on the nature of Understanding
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You know, its interesting. When you are a little kid, you dont know much about the world, and everything was so simple. You lived in a world where black was black and white was white. But as you grow up, you begin to understand more things, and the more things you understand, the more confusing things become. Suddenly its not so black and white anymore, and good and evil are not so separate.

I suppose every decision we make and every belief we had is like a see-saw. When we are little, each decision we have to make, a see-saw sprouts into existence in our imagination. When we have little to no information on what we're deciding, what little information we have can tilt the see-saw either way. As we grow up and as we gain more knowledge of the world, we start piling more and more information on the see-saw. One piece of information doesn't change the direction much now, but the peculiar thing is, almost no see-saws are completely one-sided.(If you are older than 10 and still have only one sided see-saws, "Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!") Every single one of our decisions and beliefs have contradicting evidence pointing the other way.

Things start getting a little more complicated now, sometimes we need to use previous decisions to decide new things. So these see-saws start building on one another, now you have see-saws built ON see-saws and so on and so forth to create giant structures of evaluation. The best we can do now is estimate and try to guess which side is right and which side is wrong..and which is neither right nor wrong.

In this world, we can see logic as gravity and faith as...anti-gravity. Logic will take the facts and pull them down, the heavier they are, the more 'true' something is. But faith works in the opposite direction, it lifts facts up, so it doesn't matter how 'heavy' or 'true' a fact is, faith can cancel it out. That is what faith is. But you see, this system of see-saws doesn't exist in a room, there is no floor nor cieling(Meaning there are no absolutes). So logic(gravity) and faith(anti-gravity) need to work together to keep the system itself in place, it cant exist without either of them.

Throw that into the whole picture, I think I can see why people struggle so much on deciding what is right or wrong. Heh.
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Feel free to criticise that's the whole reason why I posted in the first place.


Woah... see-saws... I just imagined a great picture back there.
Your analogy of right and wrong part, and on the view of balance of faith and logic perfectly fit into the picture.
Did you get the analogy out of a painting or was it just a pure burst of imaginative juices (natural or otherwise)?
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Posted 2/8/08

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Safuranmodoki wrote:

thats cuz u MAKE it complicated... right and wrong are simply perspective, if u make it complicated then it'll turn complicated, i like to simplify things, black is black and white is still white for me, s'not that im not aware of the complications, i just choose to live simply and effectively, wat defines my right or wrong is the question "who will be sad?", if the answer is no one then i consider that the right decision


Someone will always be sad =(


not always.. i manage to keep everyone satisfied.. of course if ur talking bout the general population then obviously there'll always be someone sad... cant reli help it tho, unless u can clone and teleport urself all over the place cheering up sad ppl.. =/
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Posted 2/8/08

Safuranmodoki wrote:


excalion wrote:


Safuranmodoki wrote:

thats cuz u MAKE it complicated... right and wrong are simply perspective, if u make it complicated then it'll turn complicated, i like to simplify things, black is black and white is still white for me, s'not that im not aware of the complications, i just choose to live simply and effectively, wat defines my right or wrong is the question "who will be sad?", if the answer is no one then i consider that the right decision


Someone will always be sad =(


not always.. i manage to keep everyone satisfied.. of course if ur talking bout the general population then obviously there'll always be someone sad... cant reli help it tho, unless u can clone and teleport urself all over the place cheering up sad ppl.. =/


Well you cant possibly keep even everyone around you happy. Because of a couple reasons.

1. If they want to spend time with you, you cannot possibly spend time with all of them, constantly. Thus making them sad.

2. If they dont want to spend time with you, then you did something to make them not like you. Thus making them sad.

3. I think you're a girl: As you grow older, you cannot possibly satisfy every man that will be attracted to you. Thus making them sad.

and the list goes on and on.
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Posted 2/8/08

excalion wrote:


Safuranmodoki wrote:


excalion wrote:


Safuranmodoki wrote:

thats cuz u MAKE it complicated... right and wrong are simply perspective, if u make it complicated then it'll turn complicated, i like to simplify things, black is black and white is still white for me, s'not that im not aware of the complications, i just choose to live simply and effectively, wat defines my right or wrong is the question "who will be sad?", if the answer is no one then i consider that the right decision


Someone will always be sad =(


not always.. i manage to keep everyone satisfied.. of course if ur talking bout the general population then obviously there'll always be someone sad... cant reli help it tho, unless u can clone and teleport urself all over the place cheering up sad ppl.. =/


Well you cant possibly keep even everyone around you happy. Because of a couple reasons.

1. If they want to spend time with you, you cannot possibly spend time with all of them, constantly. Thus making them sad.

2. If they dont want to spend time with you, then you did something to make them not like you. Thus making them sad.

3. I think you're a girl: As you grow older, you cannot possibly satisfy every man that will be attracted to you. Thus making them sad.

and the list goes on and on.


ah well.. true that i can not keep everyone happy all the time.. but i try tho (not so much with the 3rd point.. they can wallow in despair for all i care) s'the thought that counts right?? see, thats how ur makign life so complicated.. ur going off on branches, the right decision is simply perspective, as long as u have a reasonable reason behind ur intentions then it should be enough
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yo what were you smokin and where can i get some, hook me up
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such a old thread i found

OT ---i feel the same way....i miss my youth & innocence -__-
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I don't know that I quite agree with you. Except maybe on the faith making facts float aspect of your tirade.

The way information is presented can affect its weight.

It is not the previous decision that guides your newer decision, but rather the core values you hold unconsciously that sway you. When you are little and everything is so clear, these values are instilled. Only with age do you test these values. And through testing some values shift and some stand fast. Defining you. Faith may be a means with which people define, share and strengthen the values they want to uphold but they still exist without it.

Not to mention that, abstractly speaking, there is no right or wrong.

[*notes date on 1st post* ... yes, good find ^_^ ]
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Posted 3/21/09
to summarize it all, we are selfish bastards.
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