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Where you live, does law require parental involvement in abortion? How do you feel about them?

New York does not require parental consent or notification for minors to have abortions. I was kind of shocked to hear, not in a bad way. Even simple visits to the dentist require parental consent so I thought it follows for all medical procedures involving minors. I think it's great that minors do not need to get permission from their parents to get abortions. It's ultimately up to the pregnant person, which is how it should be. I'm a bit iffy about parental notification laws because of undue influences, a parent can overcome the child's free will which automatically turns these notification laws into a consent laws.
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Yes you need parent permission. "requires that a minor's parent be notified if she decides to have an abortion, and the minor's parent must give his/her consent."
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Yes you need parent permission. "[Texas law] requires that a minor's parent be notified if she decides to have an abortion, and the minor's parent must give his/her consent."
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-south-texas-surgical-center/abortion-care-services/minors-and-abortion-care You live in Texas? it has been getting a lot of heat for its anti-choice laws. The ACLU is currently trying to fight against recent legislation that has threaten abortions rights, particularly in Texas. *sigh*

Abortion thread is here http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-4605/abortion
I knew this thread would turn into a debate about pro life vs pro-choice instead of the actual topic at hand. o wells
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I think people have the right to their own decisions, not the government, your parents or anyone for that fact. You are your own person, imagine if I told you, you have to obide by my rules(a stanger). not really fun is it?

[this post has been edited to remove portions that have nothing to to with parental consent to abortion for minors--lorreen]
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FlyinDumpling wrote:

Where you live, does law require parental involvement in abortion? How do you feel about them?

New York does not require parental consent or notification for minors to have abortions. I was kind of shocked to hear, not in a bad way. Even simple visits to the dentist require parental consent so I thought it follows for all medical procedures involving minors. I think it's great that minors do not need to get permission from their parents to get abortions. It's ultimately up to the pregnant person, which is how it should be. I'm a bit iffy about parental notification laws because of undue influences, a parent can overcome the child's free will which automatically turns these notification laws into a consent laws.


I'm embarrassed to say that offhand I don't know for sure, though I think probably here it's not required.

I think there are some good reasons for parents to be involved in the decision, especially for girls who are quite young, but I also know that there are family situations where requiring parental involvement would be even more traumatic, and it then makes sense that the pregnant person make the decision without that consent. I do think that having more in-depth counseling and information sharing when the person is a minor is desirable--having someone to listen to one's feelings about the decision seems really important.

Reminder to all, there is already a thread to discuss one's opinion about abortion itself, here:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-4605/abortion

Please leave discussion in this thread specifically to the question about parental consent.
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Maryland does not require parental consent for abortion. I think that's outrageous. As a parent, I can't imagine my child making such a decision on their own. Frankly, any medical procedure on a minor should require parental consent, not merely notification. This is no different, in that regard and should be treated as such.

A medical decision needs parental input. Period. I know there are awful parents out there, but in the end - we can't legislate assuming parents are all going to be awful.
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Some parents will end up forcing their child to keep the children. This not only forces their daughter to go through with the pregnancy, but also may force her to drop out.
It isn't fair. I think you should have the right to choose what you want no matter what.
You can get a judicial bypass for the abortion, but you need legit reasons (like the one I just said).
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Parental counsel is definitely encouraged but they should not have the final say on whether or not the abortion is allowed. It's not their bodies. It's the pregnant girl's body.
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Some parents will end up forcing their child to keep the children. This not only forces their daughter to go through with the pregnancy, but also may force her to drop out.
It isn't fair. I think you should have the right to choose what you want no matter what.
You can get a judicial bypass for the abortion, but you need legit reasons (like the one I just said).



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Parental counsel is definitely encouraged but they should not have the final say on whether or not the abortion is allowed. It's not their bodies. It's the pregnant girl's body.


The point here is that the person is a minor who's seeking surgery. Take all of the other factors out of it. Take out emotion. Take out your view of abortion. Take out everything except for the fact that a minor is seeking either a) medication which has physical risks associated with it or b) an invasive medical procedure which also has physical risks. If it's my daughter, I should be informed, I should be notified, and I should have to consent. As a Dad with one daughter (and 2 more coming), I would never want my children to have any medical procedure without myself & my wife knowing/consenting. The important point here is the fact that these people are minors, they are not legal adults.

Taking the emotion away from this, it's a medical procedure. Medical procedures require parental notification/consent. Period. Always should.
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lorreen wrote:

I'm embarrassed to say that offhand I don't know for sure, though I think probably here it's not required.

I think there are some good reasons for parents to be involved in the decision, especially for girls who are quite young, but I also know that there are family situations where requiring parental involvement would be even more traumatic, and it then makes sense that the pregnant person make the decision without that consent. I do think that having more in-depth counseling and information sharing when the person is a minor is desirable--having someone to listen to one's feelings about the decision seems really important.

Reminder to all, there is already a thread to discuss one's opinion about abortion itself, here:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-4605/abortion

Please leave discussion in this thread specifically to the question about parental consent.
Thanks for cleaning up thread, highly appreciate it. I also think there are good reasons that a girl should inform her parents beforehand, but I do not think it should be required by law because of many reason you have mentioned already plus more. Also, this map. It only helps if you live in America, but the the wiki page describes the jurisdiction in a few other countries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minors_and_abortion


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The point here is that the person is a minor who's seeking surgery. Take all of the other factors out of it. Take out emotion. Take out your view of abortion. Take out everything except for the fact that a minor is seeking either a) medication which has physical risks associated with it or b) an invasive medical procedure which also has physical risks. If it's my daughter, I should be informed, I should be notified, and I should have to consent. As a Dad with one daughter (and 2 more coming), I would never want my children to have any medical procedure without myself & my wife knowing/consenting. The important point here is the fact that these people are minors, they are not legal adults.

Taking the emotion away from this, it's a medical procedure. Medical procedures require parental notification/consent. Period. Always should.
Imagine how much worse it will be if she gives birth. Taking a pill in her early trimester versus pushing a human being out of her vagina, it's no brainer. A girl is mature enough to know that she's too immature to have a baby. She should not require consent from her parents because there are parents who will force their daughters to give birth. It's also not unheard of for parents to force their daughters to have abortions immediately after they are notified of the pregnancy. Under these consent and notification laws the reproductive rights of are left up to the parents instead of the pregnant person, the one who will suffer the consequences of such decisions.

It's advised that minors should notified their parents for further consolation but we do not live in a perfect world. We can't legislate assuming all parents are good either. Non parental involvement for abortions is important for minors who live in abusive households who can't necessarily seek for parental guidance. There are parents who will never want to have any medical procedure done without them knowing, but if your daughter ever has an unintended pregnancy she is bound to undergo a medical procedure whether you like it or not. She is going to have to choose to either give birth or have to an abortion. Given the circumstance those medical procedures are just inevitable. When she no longer has the option of getting an abortion she will have to give birth. It's a timed decision and no one can choose neither.

Notification laws delays her from seeking help in the early trimester because there are girls who will hesitate from informing their parents out of fear of abuse or emancipation. The delay will only create more complications before it's too late. That's when girls will have to give birth. It would not be done out of choice, but because it was the only options that was left. Whether or not she wants an abortion, this puts girls in a bad place because now there are fewer options to choose from.
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[the post this referred to has been removed. There was nothing wrong with it per se, but it did not discuss the issue of parental consent/notification in the case of pregnant minors, so was off-topic. There is a separate thread for general discussion about abortion and it would be appropriate there--lorreen]

^not sure why that post was reported, I see nothing wrong with it and I've seen worse posts that haven't been reported...

Anyways... I think kids should get parental consent because the parent should know what their children are up to, and they may not even know their teen is pregnant.

That said, I suppose if a teen is 17 that's a bit hard to tell them they need parental consent, but you need it on practically everything, even for school things senior year after turning 18 so I don't see why not.

That said, I don't agree with abortion but I can't tell people what to do with their lives as much as it horrifies me.
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Imagine how much worse it will be if she gives birth. Taking a pill in her early trimester versus pushing a human being out of her vagina, it's no brainer. A girl is mature enough to know that she's too immature to have a baby. She should not require consent from her parents because there are parents who will force their daughters to give birth. It's also not unheard of for parents to force their daughters to have abortions immediately after they are notified of the pregnancy. Under these consent and notification laws the reproductive rights of are left up to the parents instead of the pregnant person, the one who will suffer the consequences of such decisions.

It's advised that minors should notified their parents for further consolation but we do not live in a perfect world. We can't legislate assuming all parents are good either. Non parental involvement for abortions is important for minors who live in abusive households who can't necessarily seek for parental guidance. There are parents who will never want to have any medical procedure done without them knowing, but if your daughter ever has an unintended pregnancy she is bound to undergo a medical procedure whether you like it or not. She is going to have to choose to either give birth or have to an abortion. Given the circumstance those medical procedures are just inevitable. When she no longer has the option of getting an abortion she will have to give birth. It's a timed decision and no one can choose neither.

Notification laws delays her from seeking help in the early trimester because there are girls who will hesitate from informing their parents out of fear of abuse or emancipation. The delay will only create more complications before it's too late. That's when girls will have to give birth. It would not be done out of choice, but because it was the only options that was left. Whether or not she wants an abortion, this puts girls in a bad place because now there are fewer options to choose from.

Again, I go back to my original post. We cannot legislate based on the exceptions. The rules for minors require parents to consent to everything from them being allowed to ingest alcohol, to them being allowed to have Tylenol in school, to them having plastic surgery, to minors getting certain piercings, to minors being allowed to go tanning, etc. Why should, again, a potentially invasive medical procedure which has major risks be exempted? Because it involves their reproductive organs? Not a good enough reason. It's still a medical procedure. It still has risks. Parents need to be informed.

We can't write the law assuming every parent is bad.
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We cannot legislate based on the exceptions.
Why should, again, a potentially invasive medical procedure which has major risks be exempted? Because it involves their reproductive organs? Not a good enough reason. It's still a medical procedure. It still has risks. Parents need to be informed.
We can't write the law assuming every parent is bad.

But what's the alternative?
If the parents DO give consent, then there wasn't really a need for them to give consent, because the outcome would be the same.
But if the parents DOESN'T give consent, then that means the girl will have to keep the baby. Possibly even give birth to it. Something that is without a doubt FAR more damaging and risky than a simple medical procedure.

I really don't think your case makes much sense here, because having the medical procedure is in all cases safer than not having the procedure.
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Parental consent is a must, most people under the age of 18 are complete retards, so having older persons with more life experience giving consent is a good way to keep the kid from murdering an innocent child. The terrible fact that abortion is legal is awful, but just like tattoos, piercing and even marriage, minors should all ways need consent from parents / guardians. This way hopefully the older persons (parents / guardians) are not complete retards and steer the minor from what could a terrible life decision. Killing a baby in the womb is a terrible thing, its like murdering someone who cant even say "help I'm alive, don't hurt me". At least having one smart parent saying no, to stop the minor from killing a precious child, I'd say is a damn good thing. (hope thats better Loreen)
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Parental consent is a must, most people under the age of 18 are complete retards, so having older persons with more life experience giving consent is a good way to keep the kid from murdering an innocent child. The terrible fact that abortion is legal is awful, but just like tattoos, piercing and even marriage, minors should all ways need consent from parents / guardians. This way hopefully the older persons (parents / guardians) are not complete retards and steer the minor from what could a terrible life decision. Killing a baby in the womb is a terrible thing, its like murdering someone who cant even say "help I'm alive, don't hurt me". At least having one smart parent saying no, to stop the minor from killing a precious child, I'd say is a damn good thing. (hope thats better Loreen)


So you'd rather have a young girl who is not mature enough to have a child, both physicly and mentally go through the risk of giving birth to a child -- something that can be dangerous even for mature adults -- rather than aborting that which has still not developed into a human?

Also, your view on the case is terribly narrow. Why would aborting a child that she's not mature enough to take care of nor want be a terrible life decision? It hasn't even developed into a human. If it had, then it would be illegal. That's why there are limitations to how late you are allowed to have an abortion.

And what if the girl ended up dying in the process? Or is at risk at dying and the only way to save her is to have an abortion? Stuff like that happens, you know... Should she then still not be allowed to have an abortion?

Your reasoning is basicly that it's totally cool to put an already existing life on the line in order to save a life that still doesn't exist.
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