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Magic (Magick) Real or Not? I want to hear your thoughts
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An interesting occurrence which we cannot explain currently that some may even regard as magic is "Ball Lightning"... its fascinating really, you all should look it up.


There's been recent evidence that ball lightning may be a result of burning earth. It's such a rare phenomenon it's hard to study.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/jan/09/burning-soil-fuels-ball-lightning


Thanks for the link that hypothesis seems very likely now, now that we have an idea how it occurs I wonder about the properties and behavior. There are reports of it seemingly chasing animals or people and I have seen a video of it traveling parallel to a power line. It seems to be very sensitive to other electrical charges and they may determine its path. How dangerous is it? There was even a report of a sailor being killed by it.

Once again, cool link, and wow was that lucky having it on a decent camera during an occurrence.
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First note: I come from a very... odd family... full of odd people. My Aunt follows Wiccan beliefs and practices, and so do two of her kids (my cousins). Other members of my family are fully into the scientific fields, whether it be engineers or actual scientists.

Me personally am sort of in between. I don't NOT believe in Magic, but a lot of my scientific upbringing and mind fights back with the whole don't believe what you can't see thing (thus why I do not follow any religion myself).

Second Note: I am huge into fantasy. You could even say Chuuni syndrome really (though nothing as bad as say Okabe Rintaro or Rikka Takanashi), I like to imagine what it would be like being in a fantasy setting, sometimes even "acting" it out, in my head at least. So, obviously with this a part of me likes to believe in magic this way due to that.

And... well I could probably say more but i'm tired of typing now.
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I believe in magick in my own definition.

Such as the (mental) magick of 13horror's volume one book: "The Magic" a story like that can be truly consuming, but only if one lets it consume them. the work of how it can mentally break someone, and uses mathematical fact on people is truly magic, in my own definition.

i could be confusing 13horror's "The Magic" with "The Dare", its been a long time and both .pdf booklets are on my old laptop.
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First note: I come from a very... odd family... full of odd people. My Aunt follows Wiccan beliefs and practices, and so do two of her kids (my cousins). Other members of my family are fully into the scientific fields, whether it be engineers or actual scientists.

Me personally am sort of in between. I don't NOT believe in Magic, but a lot of my scientific upbringing and mind fights back with the whole don't believe what you can't see thing (thus why I do not follow any religion myself).

Second Note: I am huge into fantasy. You could even say Chuuni syndrome really (though nothing as bad as say Okabe Rintaro or Rikka Takanashi), I like to imagine what it would be like being in a fantasy setting, sometimes even "acting" it out, in my head at least. So, obviously with this a part of me likes to believe in magic this way due to that.

And... well I could probably say more but i'm tired of typing now.



Haha, nice quote!

I agree, I think this brand of 'fantasy magic' you mentioned is something most people would at least like to experience. I guess it's why loads of people do lucid dreaming...
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I believe in magick in my own definition.

Such as the (mental) magick of 13horror's volume one book: "The Magic" a story like that can be truly consuming, but only if one lets it consume them. the work of how it can mentally break someone, and uses mathematical fact on people is truly magic, in my own definition.

i could be confusing 13horror's "The Magic" with "The Dare", its been a long time and both .pdf booklets are on my old laptop.


I get what you're saying, a sort of Darren Brown style of 'suggestive magic'...
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I don't NOT believe in Magic, but a lot of my scientific upbringing and mind fights back with the whole don't believe what you can't see thing (thus why I do not follow any religion myself).


For me it's not "don't believe in what you can't see." It's don't believe what you don't have evidence for. Look at it this way: the number of possible ideas that one could come up with that there is no evidence for is infinite. As a matter of practicality we don't entertain all of those ideas as reasonable matters of debate. Only the most popular baseless ideas get that privilege.

As far as what we can see, we're terrible at sensing much at all. Our eyes see an extremely narrow rang of wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum and have ridiculously limited zoom, our ears pick up just a slice of sonic frequencies, our noses are worse than dogs', we have no echolocation ability, and we can't detect ionizing radiation. And on it goes. That's why we build instruments that can detect what we can't.
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It depends on how you define magic. And one way to define magic is akin to saying everything we do is magic. Other than that, I'd say no.

Though it may be biased, I believe everything-normally-has a scientific explanation, because I believe God created a world with steady, reliable laws that we live in.
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minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:

It depends on how you define magic. And one way to define magic is akin to saying everything we do is magic. Other than that, I'd say no.

Though it may be biased, I believe everything-normally-has a scientific explanation, because I believe God created a world with steady, reliable laws that we live in.


I wouldn't say it's biased, the point is you express your own opinion anyway. As I also mentioned, I may not believe in major religions or 'God' but I do believe in great powers/beings.
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I'm of this viewpoint as I see magic is merely processes for which we do not know the properties and laws of. There is plenty of science we now know that was once considered magic, it is mostly chemistry but also some physics. An interesting occurrence which we cannot explain currently that some may even regard as magic is "Ball Lightning"... its fascinating really, you all should look it up.


Ah, I heard about Ball lightning before once. I understand where you are going with what you are saying too and respect your opinion. However, if there is something scientific laws deem impossible and someone comes along and does (I guess you could say magic in the anime sense of things like witches and transforming etc...) those things, would you still regard it that way?


For it to be deemed impossible by science then it was most certainly known as a 'law' and if once of those laws were to be broken it would change everything. It would mean we were wrong. That would be just awesome if it happened, I am all for more exciting possibilities. Magic as it is commonly portrayed still seems to be process based and repeatable even though the steps to repeat may not always be known.

Government agencies all over the world have been researching into the supernatural for even the slightest opportunity to get a leg up on the competition and there is absolutely no reason we should just dismiss these ideas.

If we knew the process to "transform" or even things such as creating a ball of energy (regardless of energy type) would that make it any less awesome? Yeah, the sense of wonder would be gone but nothing about the process itself has changed. In the end it is what it is and we call it what we want. An example of a world where people knew some of these processes just happens to be available here on CR
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Stonewolfe wrote:
I don't NOT believe in Magic, but a lot of my scientific upbringing and mind fights back with the whole don't believe what you can't see thing (thus why I do not follow any religion myself).


For me it's not "don't believe in what you can't see." It's don't believe what you don't have evidence for. Look at it this way: the number of possible ideas that one could come up with that there is no evidence for is infinite. As a matter of practicality we don't entertain all of those ideas as reasonable matters of debate. Only the most popular baseless ideas get that privilege.

As far as what we can see, we're terrible at sensing much at all. Our eyes see an extremely narrow rang of wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum and have ridiculously limited zoom, our ears pick up just a slice of sonic frequencies, our noses are worse than dogs', we have no echolocation ability, and we can't detect ionizing radiation. And on it goes. That's why we build instruments that can detect what we can't.


Like string theory and the multitude of multiverse models around today? Those types of things?
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Not too familiar with Darren Brown, but my idea is close to Apophenia or The Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon, where things that seem omnipresent align in a certain way and may or may not be controlled. like "The Magic" book is controlled but something like The baader-meinhof phenomenon can not be controlled.


However, it might sound similar but the Barnum effect is the exact opposite of what i try to describe. It is completely controlled and plays on emotional experience and in no way can seem omnipresent because everyone's emotional background has some small relation or ties that make them similar, even if the preponderance emotions are dissimilar.
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For it to be deemed impossible by science then it was most certainly known as a 'law' and if once of those laws were to be broken it would change everything. It would mean we were wrong. That would be just awesome if it happened, I am all for more exciting possibilities. Magic as it is commonly portrayed still seems to be process based and repeatable even though the steps to repeat may not always be known.

Government agencies all over the world have been researching into the supernatural for even the slightest opportunity to get a leg up on the competition and there is absolutely no reason we should just dismiss these ideas.

If we knew the process to "transform" or even things such as creating a ball of energy (regardless of energy type) would that make it any less awesome? Yeah, the sense of wonder would be gone but nothing about the process itself has changed. In the end it is what it is and we call it what we want. An example of a world where people knew some of these processes just happens to be available here on CR


Thank you CR for bringing the great alternate worlds of anime to my computational devices!
Yeah, I would love something like that to happen. The day you walk home from school and meet someone who is 'magical' or you find a 'magical' object, I guess it's something exciting and out of the ordinary the makes us want it because it feels like a real adventure compared to everyday life.

NOTE: Not available to watch in the UK, hehe. Oh well, I'll find someway to watch...I'm sure I'll find it on a shelf somewhere in Akiba...
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Written text are like magic.
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Thfelese wrote:

Written text are like magic.


Yeah, I read that somewhere too. I guess the very fact I can communicate with everyone could be considered 'magic'. I guess in my post I was a bit vague. In my mind I was aiming for the more stereotypical supernatural anime type magic, but it's been interesting to hear other people's views.
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NOTE: Not available to watch in the UK, hehe. Oh well, I'll find someway to watch...I'm sure I'll find it on a shelf somewhere in Akiba...


While not ideal you can use a VPN with a US based server, there are some cheap VPN options out there. I frequently use them to bypass the ISP shenanigans going on here in the US. (Some of them throttle streaming media traffic, the VPN reroutes and encrypts the traffic to prevent the discrimination.)
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