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Magic (Magick) Real or Not? I want to hear your thoughts
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Haha, I've been writing this entire post and all the replies while watching Magic Knight Rayearth. I've watched most magical girl shows, but I just always skipped this one despite it being one of the first I discovered. I guess I'm running a little short of shows in the genre now

Don't leave me, fantasy worlds...
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While not ideal you can use a VPN with a US based server, there are some cheap VPN options out there. I frequently use them to bypass the ISP shenanigans going on here in the US. (Some of them throttle streaming media traffic, the VPN reroutes and encrypts the traffic to prevent the discrimination.)


Not a bad idea, I used to use VPNs a few years back mainly for privacy (though my family are no longer with a major ISP so it's not really a problem now). I haven't really found much use for them lately though...
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What created existence? Magic? o.O
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AnimeIzPro wrote:


Thfelese wrote:

Written text are like magic.


Yeah, I read that somewhere too. I guess the very fact I can communicate with everyone could be considered 'magic'. I guess in my post I was a bit vague. In my mind I was aiming for the more stereotypical supernatural anime type magic, but it's been interesting to hear other people's views.


I don't believe in magic, but only written text are make me think magic is plausible.
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minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:

Like string theory and the multitude of multiverse models around today? Those types of things?


String theories are compelling mathematical theories. They have yet to be substantiated with experiment (so you can't really call them scientific theories) but the math alone makes them worthy of consideration and potential testing if the technology is developed. The math is a basis that makes them worthy of being entertained as possible solutions to questions we still have about the universe.

Multiverse models are hypotheses and until there's a mathematical basis for them (maybe there is, but I've never heard of there being so) I don't consider them credible. There's a debate about whether multiverse models are even scientific. If they're not they should go on the scrap heap and people should stop wasting time on them.
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minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:

Like string theory and the multitude of multiverse models around today? Those types of things?


String theories are compelling mathematical theories. They have yet to be substantiated with experiment (so you can't really call them scientific theories) but the math alone makes them worthy of consideration and potential testing if the technology is developed. The math is a basis that makes them worthy of being entertained as possible solutions to questions we still have about the universe.

Multiverse models are hypotheses and until there's a mathematical basis for them (maybe there is, but I've never heard of there being so) I don't consider them credible. There's a debate about whether multiverse models are even scientific. If they're not they should go on the scrap heap and people should stop wasting time on them.


I agree. The thing about string theory (hypothesis), though, is that we can't test them, and it being possible as shown by beautiful mathematics is its only redeeming feature. Yet, the theoretical physics world is consumed in it.
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For it to be deemed impossible by science then it was most certainly known as a 'law' and if once of those laws were to be broken it would change everything. It would mean we were wrong. That would be just awesome if it happened, I am all for more exciting possibilities.


Although this regards a theory instead of a law, there were a good number of scientists who were really hoping we wouldn't find the Higgs boson within the expected mass range because such a failure would undermine the Standard Model and pretty much mean back to the drawing board.
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this reminds me of Annarasumanara

should check it out
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Hmm... I don't know if what I believe is classified as "magic" per se, but supernatural phenomena? I think they're interchangeable, right? At least that's how society views the supernatural: fantasy, fairy tale, magic mumbo jumbo, etc.

Anyway, I believe in spirits (good and bad, guardian angels, living things having souls and soul types (I'm a mature scholar soul for example) etc. [although, for some reason, I have reservations on gods and goddesses/deities existing]), all sorts of psychic powers, hexes/curses, charms, summoning/conjuring, past lives/reincarnation, chakras, certain events in life having far-reaching meanings and purposes, the whole nine yards.

And I'm glad I come from a family where this isn't written off as the impossible. My late grandma and mom have the ability to see spirits. My mom always told me to not talk to them (even though I can't see or hear them anyway) because my grandma did that and had spirits constantly harass her till death. And due to some bad family history I don't entirely understand, I learned that someone put a curse of some sort on her. My mom said she would see some weird black creature that would sit at the foot of my grandmother's bed. My mom told me that my grandma used to say that something would rock her bed when she tried to sleep.

This obviously made me very afraid of messing with anything supernatural or magical even just learning about it. But I'm still curious nonetheless. Just yesterday I was watching angels caught on camera and clouds making ominous figures on Youtube for a couple of hours.

So as for my own personal beliefs being a person without any sort of special "powers" (although from time to time I can pick up my family members' presence with accuracy, while other times I pick up someone's or something's presence when I'm usually alone and at the "Witching Hours" of 12:00-3:00am; I can very easily tell them all apart) like them (by the way they have some weird stories; like before my grandma died, my mom said she had a dream of finding her in her apartment dead, and when she went to go check on her that day, my mom said she was in the same exact position and the apartment was ice and silent. And when she was cleaning the apartment out and was struggling to get the heavy glass table out some days later, she said she heard someone say "You've done enough" and the table broke in half. Around this time too, I think barely even a day after visiting her in the hospital possibly, she said that my grandma visited her and said that she was sorry that she died or something like that. That didn't occur with me (or my brother, I think but who knows; he did find the picture of my grandma that my mom was looking for out the blue, like he knew exactly where it was the whole time), although I did see my grandma in a few of dreams some months and years later.), I believe in the metaphysics (astrology, palmistry, numerology, etc.) and reincarnation.

I don't follow any sort of religion like OP, although my family seems to be Christian. I was never taught the Bible and I think the only time I went to church was for Sunday School with a friend of mine (that's the only reason I even went to be honest) back in 1st grade and when my grandma died.

I don't believe in the whole heaven/hell dichotomy although watching shows where people who have died and come back describe their ordeals makes me question this possibility immensely.

And I do have some qualms with science. There's so many things that aren't possible to explain only using scientific terms (like that whole block of text about when my grandma died. My mom wasn't tripping. She's a very grounded person and wouldn't just make up stuff just to be dramatic.) that just get written off as impossible or fake. Or scientists and scientific-minded people will create this elaborate explanation that to me, seems like they're bullshitting a bit.

They'd be all like, "Since your mother just lost her mother, she was going through a lot stress and wasn't in the right frame of mind. In that moment she probably dropped the table by accident and that's what caused to break in half. She just doesn't remember doing it herself." But I've seen that table. We had a similar one. There's no way it would just break on carpet, no less, in half, no more, out the blue like that.

There's just no way.

I believe that some things that occur in the world can't be explained by physical science and that shouldn't be a bad thing. Why can't things that can't be explained by science be true? By what or by who gets to determine that?
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minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:
I agree. The thing about string theory (hypothesis), though, is that we can't test them, and it being possible as shown by beautiful mathematics is its only redeeming feature. Yet, the theoretical physics world is consumed in it.


That's because theoretical physicists are mathematicians more than they are scientists. They're the people coming up with the equations, not generally the ones doing the experiments. Just remember that mathematical theories are defined differently than scientific theories, which is why the nomenclature is confusing.
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minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:
I agree. The thing about string theory (hypothesis), though, is that we can't test them, and it being possible as shown by beautiful mathematics is its only redeeming feature. Yet, the theoretical physics world is consumed in it.


That's because theoretical physicists are mathematicians more than they are scientists. They're the people coming up with the equations, not generally the ones doing the experiments. Just remember that mathematical theories are defined differently than scientific theories, which is why the nomenclature is confusing.


Yes, but it's almost like...a prejudice. It's difficult to find one that doesn't deal with string theory and yet is given a high status. If it's wrong, then we're basically wasting our resources and time. It should be a little more balanced, in my opinion.
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smoke and mirrors
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MeikoAkizukiMB wrote:
Why can't things that can't be explained by science be true? By what or by who gets to determine that?


Things that can't be adequately explained by current science can absolutely be true. There are a lot of real world examples like black holes and even more mundane things that we just don't understand but can observe.

The thing that makes the supernatural unscientific isn't that we can't explain it. It's that there is no evidence for its existence. The closest thing to evidence is eyewitness reports, which are not scientifically rigorous enough to be acceptable. There are a lot of reasons for this: confirmation bias, mental health issues, fraud, misunderstanding, poor observation conditions, etc. Our senses are incredibly limited and our brains are bad at processing information objectively. On top of it all, people lie. One person can't know if the other is lying so it doesn't matter if they actually are or not. If you're attempting to demonstrate if something is real you simply can't take anyone's word for it. You need either tangible evidence or a mathematically compelling process based on principles we already understand.

If a supernatural phenomenon ever takes place in a controlled lab setting it will be scientifically accepted reality, even if we don't have an explanation. Scientists love not knowing why things happen. They'd flip out at the chance to try to figure it out.


minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:
Yes, but it's almost like...a prejudice. It's difficult to find one that doesn't deal with string theory and yet is given a high status. If it's wrong, then we're basically wasting our resources and time. It should be a little more balanced, in my opinion.


Even if it's wrong in in its ultimate conclusion it's not a waste of time. Each string theory is an enormous framework that is composed of other ideas, many of which were developed as a consequence of research into string theory, yet not all of them are necessarily dependent upon it in order to be true or have theoretical value. New forms of mathematics have been born out of string theory. All of that wouldn't just suddenly go into the trash.

And even if most theoretical physicists find string theory compelling, that is not what a majority of them work on, as there are a lot of proposed theories out there. If someone's research pokes a hole in string theory, they're not going to just sit on it and pretend because of a prejudice. Also, theoretical physics is extremely cheap compared to experimental science. You just need some smart people, some computers, pencils, paper, and a whiteboard. I'm simplifying it of course, but you get the idea.
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Existence is magic.
Magic exists.
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Magic has more to do with the occult and supernatural. Unfortunately all the stuff that has to do with alchemy, magic, occult, supernatural, whatever, is a clutter. It's not really defined as a solid, "this is magic", "this is how, what, where, when and why of magic". It's full of "this is what I think".

If you really wanna find more about the supernatural I probably suggest searching for ghost, I think they are the key (the gateway) to the supernatural.
That is if they exist and if you can find them.

me personally I'm more interested in Qi (chi)
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