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Maria the Virgin Witch Anticipation and Discussion
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Posted 1/19/15

FLjerry2011 wrote:

EP 2 "Against the World"

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Now that I got my take on Religion out of the way Maria is opposed to War as others but Maria gets punished for interfering!

Voices of dissension even when right have a hard time making change!

I just dont like how Maria is being treated for doing good!


Well one might argue this is just the usual anti-authority/anti-establishment which is prevalent in a lot of modern media. And for such a period the Catholic church is rather "The man"

But at the same time. I don't think anyone has so far been displayed as actually evil or bad from the church. Hypocritical and human sure. But not directly bad. (at least from how i see it)

Then there's the divine interference. Which states it's interferring because.. maria is interferring with the Natural order. Which obviously has it's own philosophy behind it. Just that we don't know it yet, i guess episode 3 might enlighten us further. But at the moment all Michael is saying is that Maria is essentially transgressing the law.

It basically comes down to a clash of ideology, with Maria representing pacifism. What The church and michael represents we don't know specifically. Just that it also involves people having the snot beaten out of them. We also know that Maria is rather naive/pure in the matters of the world, something which Michael does question her about (Why she didn't help those further away and so on, what's going to happen to the mercenaries).

And in that regard i imagine this series (if it does go for more than just sex jokes) will be about a conflict of ideology and if Maria can stay pure if you will when it comes to her beliefs or if she will eventually have to compromise for one reason or the other.

For now though. We don't know. largely because we don't know the reasons behind the natural order. Is it about free will ? Should people be allowed to do both good and/or bad without being constantly having succubi or magic sent at them. Does god just really love a good fight ? And so on.

So i don't think the Catholic church as such is being framed poorly. Some of the priests and bishops have been shown as good people, and looks like from the preview another one is to come.

In the end. it will still fall down to. What is the actual conflict between Maria and the heavens ? And ultimately also what i think will determine if this series is good or really good.
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Posted 1/19/15

ImperialDane wrote:


FLjerry2011 wrote:

EP 2 "Against the World"

WARMING Disclaimer
/ My own Opinion / not to judge show



Now that I got my take on Religion out of the way Maria is opposed to War as others but Maria gets punished for interfering!

Voices of dissension even when right have a hard time making change!

I just dont like how Maria is being treated for doing good!




I like the show a lot / I just put that as a side thought only not only for for this show but others!

I want to see Maria get through all of this as she is in the right!
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Fair enough, just figured i'd give you my thoughts. And in general the Catholic church for the reasons mentioned tends to be a target. Again, authority, hiearchy and so on. All targets in modern society. The reason the other religions mentioned don't get quite as often hammered is due to their much more disorganized nature.

As for Maria, well curious as to what the objections against her are. I mean i can see different arguments for what she is doing is wrong or at least misguided. I mean she could be viewed a magical tyrant whom no-one can contest. Enforcing her views through her magic. Of which no mortal man can fight against.

Just a line of thought anyways.
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Posted 1/19/15 , edited 1/26/15
Honestly the Church and Heaven I think are being portrayed fairly well here.
I don't see them as being portrayed as "fiendish" in any way. They are leaving things be so that humans can exercise their free will. If they did act to prevent crime and sin and attrocities all over the world then Free Will is meaningless

Step out of line and God brings the Wrath, where is the free will in that.

and that is where Maria stands, Step out of line and there will be wrath. She is impossing her morals on the world in a way that no one around her is even capable of opposing. While it is true that she is saving people, protecting them and preventing bloodshed she is also robbing people of their free will.

It's the Superman paradox. Superman has the power to solve all of the world's problems, but is it right for him to do so, instead of leaving humanity to solve our problems for ourselves.
He chooses to limit his actions to helping out a bit when needed, dealing with threats far beyond what ordinary humans could face (IE: Super villains) and serving as inspiration for us to better ourselves.
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Posted 1/19/15 , edited 1/19/15
I just watched the first episode and I thought the animation was very smooth and well done.

The seiyuu are all familiar to me especially , Kensho Ono but all of a sudden I started laughing when I heard Ono Yuuki .Becuase they are performing their lines the same delivery as for Kuroko and Kagami

Its funny we are talking about free will in this anime. To me Maria is liken unto Lucifer. He wanted to save eveyone but at the expense of our free will to choose on our own.

And the way they prtray Michael the archAngel as if he has no emotions
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Posted 1/19/15 , edited 1/20/15
^^ The police prevent murder all the time. Also it isn't as if God hasn't interfered before.
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Posted 1/20/15 , edited 1/20/15
The police does not possess overpowering magic no one could possibly ever hope to match.
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Posted 1/20/15 , edited 1/20/15
This... this was surprisingly good. I don't like ecchi, but I always watch the first episode of everything each season. The title, in my opinion, is offsetting and makes me not want to watch it.

Yes, there's ecchi moments, but it's not overrun with them (most ecchi's main focus is.. well.. the ecchi). I honestly don't understand it, doesn't anyone every get tired of boob-in-face, crap storyline, stupid dialogue over and over?

This breaks from the generic ecchi genre, which I am thankful for. The sex jokes are genuinely funny if you're into (hehe) dirty humor. This was probably my biggest surprise of the Winter season. After watching the 2nd episode I think I can confidently say this'll be at least a decent anime if not better.
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Posted 1/21/15 , edited 1/21/15
I dont like ecchi either,

its worse if those typical stuff are forced into a scene, but so far this one is not too bad . The writting on this one is not bad either, the animation is excellent ,
. Although I am not sure what are the role or purpose of those scantily clad shikis.

I do have a probelm with the character design of the witches and those 2.
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Episode 3

Maria has the archangel Ezekiel watching over her to make sure she is staying a virgin, and her efforts to interfere with war is wearing thin on the people of the church. Maria had the chance to be blessed by the church, but of course she remains a witch instead. Well, that was a decent episode with some nice moments there, but not exactly stuff that's winning me over. I'll see if the next episode will convince me to keep on watching or not.
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Posted 1/25/15 , edited 1/26/15
Well in episode 3 we finally got Judgement on Maria. She can keep on doing her witchy things, as long as not in front of the masses and as long as she Remains virgin. The reasoning being more or less that if she wants to stick to her ideals so much. She's going to have to pay a price. And that is directly from God apparently.

We get Ezekiel to watch over her and conflicts arise almost immediately with the succubus and incubus

This was more of a serious episode as the consequences were gone over and we're introduced to Brother Bernard, who seeks to "Convert" Maria (Surprise, she rejects). And in a surprise twist for how it usually goes when very pious characters are introduced. He doesn't enter into "Burn the witch !" mode on the spot and in fact shows himself surprisingly willing to let her go about her business, as long as she does not interfere in church affairs.

We're also introduced to some .. Spirit ? Name escapes me atm, something with C. Guessing he represents nature or some sorts ? Questions Maria on her ideals as well. Wonder what role he will play in the future.

There was also some fun with Priapus as he so desires to be.. Anatomically correct.

So now we one half of the plot. IE she can only use her powers as long as she remains a virgin, in a sense, can she stay true to her ideals at the cost of happyness as it was put. Or will she decide that she cannot keep sacrificing herself forever and accept compromise ? . Now the question is. WHAT will come along to challenge Maria and her ideals ?

Posted 1/25/15 , edited 1/25/15
I do think it has been quite good so far, however the portrayal of the church and heaven really pisses me off. It's not like they don't have a point in this, they do and you could really elaborate on this, but they are being framed in such a horrible way that I find it extremely hard to watch and Ezekiel really isn't helping here. Though I do hope that they improve in further episode and give more of a balanced view on things, because so far this has been far too biased.


ImperialDane wrote:

We're also introduced to some .. Spirit ? Name escapes me atm, something with C. Guessing he represents nature or some sorts ? Questions Maria on her ideals as well. Wonder what role he will play in the future.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cernunnos
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All three episodes so far have been actually very good and show great promise for the series. We're getting some discussion of the themes and consequences, as others have pointed out, and the down-to-earth presentation of war on the battlefield is refreshing. Also refreshing is that this series realizes there is a difference between sexual and sexy, and this show is very much the former. Good all around, this might be the sleeper of the season.
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Posted 1/25/15 , edited 1/25/15
Episode 3


Wow, this series is great. It makes a solid effort to portray the various comedy scenes but also the way it tries to flesh out Maria as a main character in a variety of ways.

Not sure what I think about the Archangel Michael yet but Ezekiel is someone that I found somewhat annoying. Oh and this episode gave the English version of the title an interesting meaning
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Posted 1/25/15

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I do think it has been quite good so far, however the portrayal of the church and heaven really pisses me off. It's not like they don't have a point in this, they do and you could really elaborate on this, but they are being framed in such a horrible way that I find it extremely hard to watch and Ezekiel really isn't helping here. Though I do hope that they improve in further episode and give more of a balanced view on things, because so far this has been far too biased.


I hope they do as well. Everything that comes from heaven in particular is completely hypocritical. The only hint they've given us as to why is when Ezekiel says that nonhumans shouldn't interfere in human affairs. Which, I would imagine, means that either witches aren't considered humans because of their magic or Maria herself isn't human.
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