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Why would I pay 40$ for 4 episodes can someone help me
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I wish i slept on a bed of money. Fact is I thankfully have a decent job so paying $89 a set is not gonna dig into my budget much. I do buy Funimation and Sentai releases as well so its pointless to say I should be buying titles from them. Sentai especially has a lot of stuff I dont care for enough to want to own.

Now why do I prefer to have a physical release over streaming? The best answer I can give is that it's like a hobby to me. Why do some people buy video games and keep them sealed? It's like a hobby to them and they enjoy collecting it. After coming home from work I like to see my shelfs of anime and yes my SAO purchase is one of my more prouder purchases because yes it cost a heck of a lot more. Just like my Saikano dvd I bought years back which I believe I paid $70 for 1 4-episode dvd, a small figure, and a box.

See people like me want a physical release to look at, to hold, and to enjoy taking it out of it's beautiful case into my awesome PS3. Streaming does not give me that satisfaction and plus my PS3 is already set up in my home theater so I enjoy the audio much more from there than streaming.

If you could guarantee that by not buying it that I will eventually get a cheaper set then yea I'd maybe think twice about buying it. But really there is no guarantee based on past history with Bandai. So I either buy it at a price I can afford or wait and hope that someone else or Aniplex release it cheaper. I'm sorry if you have such a bad job where you can't afford it but that doesn't mean I have to stop buying what I can afford. Again im not made of money but $89 every few months hardly kills my monthly budget.
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With the availability of online streaming these days the reasons to buy DVDs/BDs are extremely limited. The market consists mainly of collectors and those who want to show their support for the series, both of which are willing to pay higher prices.

Some casual consumers may be locked out by the prices, but they can still watch the series online. It seems to me that most of the complaints about prices are coming from a vocal minority that aren't even the intended customers.



Your explanation can't be clear enough. Thank you.

Every time I hear long-winded "Aniplex-is-bad-because-they-sell-their-discs-for-high-price " complaint from those vocal minority, I wonder if they're happy with what they already have.

Their anime-centered life is not going to be bad just because they can't get their hands on Aniplex discs.

Believe it or not, a lot of anime discs wind up in flea markets, garage sales, and Craigslist when people bought them out of impulse. They blew off hundreds of dollars on buying whole bunch of third rate shows. They end up regretting several years later when new video format comes out or finding out that show sucks as they get older.
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Aniplex does not ""shotgun"" out all of their titles, for example, Nekomonogatari: Kuro aired in 2012. It did not get a home release until April 22nd, 2014.

Aniplex's titles, like their popular Madoka Magica, Sword Art Online, and Monogatari, are still selling despite being released years ago.



Correct me if I am wrong, but Nisemonogatari, and the entire Gatari franchise(including Katanagatari), are not dubbed,
but sub only. Katanagatari doesn't even have an option to turn the subtitles off, which along with the $88 price for 6 episodes prevented me from buying it.

A 2 or 4 year old show is still new. A show like Madoka Magica does not come around every year. The show is so critically acclaimed that Aniplex of America REFUSES to lower the price. Knowing the show pays for itself. If any other company got the licence, we would be paying $60-$80 for a better quality dub.

Aniplex used a cast of new actresses to voice Madoka Magica. They knew you viewers woundnt care if they cut corners there. Such a critically acclaimed series was half assed because they could. That is an insult to the industry.
Why is this an accepted business practice?



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Now this is just rubbish. Aniplex (JP) is a much bigger company than Funimation and could easily cater to casuals if they wanted to. The reason that Aniplex are selling their products to the US market themselves is because they felt Funimation (and other US distributors) were undervaluing their product by selling it at ridiculously cheap prices.


Undervaluing their product?
You know who is actually big? Bandai. I wonder what they're doing right now. Probably wishing they didn't shit all over their chances of breaking into the US anime market. Were a pretty big country you know, lots of spending money.

Are you saying you value Anime enough to pay MORE than necessary in obtaining it? Anime companies in the US started falling due to a mix of horrible business practices, not just "streams replace DVDs"

A dub is a part of the US release, and should be an important aspect of the sets value. A poor dub will make a poor set. Sentai will offer cheaper DVDs of niche anime without sub's. Funimation will ALWAYS offer a dub, that is their motto. I do not like how they use the same actors, but by god do they localize their anime.


I'm not saying you shoudnt buy anime DVDs. I'm sat ng you don't have to pay that much money. You don't have to accept such crappy releases. You don't have to take their shit and thank them for it.

Look at Attack on Titan. The series is popular enough to warent a lot of advertising power from Funimation. For $100 you get the limited edition complete with one damned tryhard dub. 26 episodes. Less than half the cost of the typical Aniplex release.

And try are so making bank off this.
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Undervaluing their product?
You know who is actually big? Bandai. I wonder what they're doing right now. Probably wishing they didn't shit all over their chances of breaking into the US anime market. Were a pretty big country you know, lots of spending money.

Are you saying you value Anime enough to pay MORE than necessary in obtaining it? Anime companies in the US started falling due to a mix of horrible business practices, not just "streams replace DVDs"

A dub is a part of the US release, and should be an important aspect of the sets value. A poor dub will make a poor set. Sentai will offer cheaper DVDs of niche anime without sub's. Funimation will ALWAYS offer a dub, that is their motto. I do not like how they use the same actors, but by god do they localize their anime.

I'm not saying you shoudnt buy anime DVDs. I'm sat ng you don't have to pay that much money. You don't have to accept such crappy releases. You don't have to take their shit and thank them for it.

Look at Attack on Titan. The series is popular enough to warent a lot of advertising power from Funimation. For $100 you get the limited edition complete with one damned tryhard dub. 26 episodes. Less than half the cost of the typical Aniplex release.

And try are so making bank off this.

From Aniplex's point of view something that cost millions to make shouldn't be sold for next to nothing just so the licensing company (Funimation) makes enough revenue to cover the licensing costs and make a tiny profit. Yes, there are occasional hits with mainstream appeal that will make more when sold at lower prices, but they are the exception not the rule. Bandai's pricing scheme failed because of their focus on old titles, as explained in the earlier ANN article.

Personally, I don't care about dubs so I won't bother arguing about them. Likewise I've never bought from the US anime industry and never will - when I want something I import it and pay the Japanese prices that makes Aniplex look cheap (I don't buy that much anyway).
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Correct me if I am wrong, but Nisemonogatari, and the entire Gatari franchise(including Katanagatari), are not dubbed,
but sub only. Katanagatari doesn't even have an option to turn the subtitles off, which along with the $88 price for 6 episodes prevented me from buying it.

A 2 or 4 year old show is still new. A show like Madoka Magica does not come around every year. The show is so critically acclaimed that Aniplex of America REFUSES to lower the price. Knowing the show pays for itself. If any other company got the licence, we would be paying $60-$80 for a better quality dub.

Aniplex used a cast of new actresses to voice Madoka Magica. They knew you viewers woundnt care if they cut corners there. Such a critically acclaimed series was half assed because they could. That is an insult to the industry.
Why is this an accepted business practice?




Katanagatari isn't even licensed by Aniplex of America, it's licensed by NIS America, and was released with subs only in 2 volumes priced at $55.99 each.

You should also understand that not every show can be dubbed to begin with.
Even Funimation doesn't necessarily lower the price of their shows till 3 - 4+ years later, when the show gets either a s.a.v.e. edition or an anime classics edition.
Example: Hellsing Ultimate, both volumes I-IV, and V-VIII. Released in 2012. Still have that same price tag of $45 for each (as taken from Funimations Store). Why is this any different from Madoka, which was released in 2012, and still has its release pricetag?

All voice actors have to start somewhere. Why is it a crime to try to use up-and-coming voice actors? Having up-and-coming talent do work on a widely received show gives the VA good exposure and can open up more offers for them. You could also say Funimation cuts corners by using the same handful of VAs in shows they dub, some of them not even being serious dubs.

I can also argue that it's an insult to the industry when a good show gets terrible dub treatment. This includes all companies, from Funimation to Sentai as well.

I purchase these titles because i enjoyed the show. Adding in dubs is considered an added bonus in itself. I don't even watch dub.

I am not better off giving my money to funimation or sentai when there's barely any shows they get that I enjoy enough to buy. The only two in the past few years I've bought from Funimation were Psycho Pass and Steins Gate.

I'd also like to point out that Funimation has also started dabbling in Sub-only releases, As with their recent OniAi release, and have stated that there may be more in the future.
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A dub is a part of the US release, and should be an important aspect of the sets value. A poor dub will make a poor set. Sentai will offer cheaper DVDs of niche anime without sub's. Funimation will ALWAYS offer a dub, that is their motto. I do not like how they use the same actors, but by god do they localize their anime.


I'm not saying you shoudnt buy anime DVDs. I'm sat ng you don't have to pay that much money. You don't have to accept such crappy releases. You don't have to take their shit and thank them for it.

Look at Attack on Titan. The series is popular enough to warent a lot of advertising power from Funimation. For $100 you get the limited edition complete with one damned tryhard dub. 26 episodes. Less than half the cost of the typical Aniplex release.

And try are so making bank off this.



Ok first off a dub does not need to be part of a localized release. There are tons of people like me who prefer their anime subbed but the sub dub thing is a different debate altogether. One good example is NIS, majority of their series are sub only releases for a few bucks more than Funimation or Sentai releases. Now you keep saying crappy releases but tell what makes say SAO for example a crappy release? Putting aside cost, what makes it crappy? Looking at my 1st SAO boxset I see a small art booklet, art cards, a sturdy box, and it comes with a soundtrack. Again putting aside cost what makes this release crappy??? Because to me it is one awesome release. Also, just to correct you on Attack On Titan, your getting 13 episodes for $100. The next set comes out in a few months.
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Example: Hellsing Ultimate, both volumes I-IV, and V-VIII. Released in 2012. Still have that same price tag of $45 for each


Just wanted to point out that Hellsing Ultimate 1-4 Is $27.49 and Hellsing Ultimate 5-8 is 19.99 On amazon.
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shuuouma wrote:


Example: Hellsing Ultimate, both volumes I-IV, and V-VIII. Released in 2012. Still have that same price tag of $45 for each


Just wanted to point out that Hellsing Ultimate 1-4 Is $27.49 and Hellsing Ultimate 5-8 is 19.99 On amazon.


Yes, I've noticed that. Not the best example to use but Amazon prices are all over the place. I'm taking the prices directly from Funimations store.
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Every show CAN be dubbed, not every show SHOULD he dubbed. Just because sometimes a bad product is made, doesn't mean you should accept it as inevitable.

I have no problem with the use and promotion of new voice actors. But that is not how you treat you 10/10 Popular as fuck title. Madoka Magica was given a horrible dub not simply because they wanted to hire new voices, but because they did not care. That was a lazy dub made because the primary consumer for the product doesn't carecabout dubs. Madoka Magica should be much much more popular than it is, but shit like this brings it down. Look at Gurren Lagann, Code Geass, and perhaps eventually Attack on Titan.
These shows created quality dubs. Treating the shows like a pot of gold, careful not to drop even a drop of its content.

Madoka Magica was sold straight to the people who already saw it. Playing a minimum of $100 for a show will not get you fans.

My problem with Aniplex is how they treat the consumer. They act like the US is another set of Japanese consumers, this is what killed off Banzai and a whole host of other companies. They are getting away with it for now because the recent spluge of good titles. If they don't grab good releases, this business model will kill them off here.

If you don't care about dubs, why are you paying so much for the title? That is half the cost of the set right there. If you buy from Japan instead of Aniplex, why defend them? Your not using their services, so they aren't doing a good job.

You should WANT to buy this! You should not say "damn I'm paying $88 bucks for these few episodes."


Where did you popular smart people go from earlier in the forum? Your smarter than me, help me out here.
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Do you buy cars based on where or not they give free T-shirts?

Perhaps purchase you games based on which gives the best keychain?

These little trinkets are gimmicks. Small unimportant sawg that exists to sway your purchase over to these releases. I'm sorry, but an art book is not worth $50 dollars. A soundtrack is nice, but you can buy it separate for less than $50 dollars.

I'm not judging shows here, I'm judging price. I can not "aside from the price" this. Despite the absurd special edition, Attack on Titan is a solid $30-40, for $80 or less you can own all of attack on titan.

But the Kill la Kill will net over $200. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
They are clearly trying to take advantage of the consumer fanbase here. They would rather offer a cheap art book(every show has a solid box, that is not special to Aniplex) than deliver a quality product, and that is a bad thing. Anyone who buys this should feel bad.

If you payed more than $100 for all episodes of SAO, you were cheated out of you money. Unless that came with a damned Nerv Gear helmet and English, French, Spanish, and Chinese subtitles, it could not possibly be worth a $89 dollar price tag per half(rightstuf price)



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My problem with Aniplex is how they treat the consumer. They act like the US is another set of Japanese consumers, this is what killed off Banzai and a whole host of other companies. They are getting away with it for now because the recent spluge of good titles. If they don't grab good releases, this business model will kill them off here.

If you buy from Japan instead of Aniplex, why defend them? Your not using their services, so they aren't doing a good job.

Aniplex isn't just grabbing the good releases, they are funding them. They know what sells and are considered one of the best selling anime distributors in Japan for a reason.

I'm defending them because I prefer seeing more money going back into the production side of things.
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My problem with Aniplex is how they treat the consumer. They act like the US is another set of Japanese consumers, this is what killed off Banzai and a whole host of other companies. They are getting away with it for now because the recent spluge of good titles. If they don't grab good releases, this business model will kill them off here.

If you don't care about dubs, why are you paying so much for the title? That is half the cost of the set right there. If you buy from Japan instead of Aniplex, why defend them? Your not using their services, so they aren't doing a good job.

You should WANT to buy this! You should not say "damn I'm paying $88 bucks for these few episodes."




I think what you are failing to understand is that Aniplex owns a vast majority of the anime industry in Japan. They are the ones who fund quite a lot shows that get picked up by other companies. Since they fund these shows, Aniplex of America will always get first dibs on shows, thus they will NOT go out of business like Bandai.

I'm defending them because I DO use their services. I do not order from Japan. In Japan, Kill la Kill is ~$65 USD for TWO episodes. While you pay $40 for 4 for the US version, WITH a dub. So yes, I use Aniplex of AMERICA because they still offer cheaper bundles than importing straight from Japan.

I do NOT say "Damn, I'm paying XX for XX"" Because I only purchase titles that I've enjoyed enough to actually WANT to own.
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spikespiegel1632 wrote:



Do you buy cars based on where or not they give free T-shirts?

Perhaps purchase you games based on which gives the best keychain?

These little trinkets are gimmicks. Small unimportant sawg that exists to sway your purchase over to these releases. I'm sorry, but an art book is not worth $50 dollars. A soundtrack is nice, but you can buy it separate for less than $50 dollars.

I'm not judging shows here, I'm judging price. I can not "aside from the price" this. Despite the absurd special edition, Attack on Titan is a solid $30-40, for $80 or less you can own all of attack on titan.

But the Kill la Kill will net over $200. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
They are clearly trying to take advantage of the consumer fanbase here. They would rather offer a cheap art book(every show has a solid box, that is not special to Aniplex) than deliver a quality product, and that is a bad thing. Anyone who buys this should feel bad.

If you payed more than $100 for all episodes of SAO, you were cheated out of you money. Unless that came with a damned Nerv Gear helmet and English, French, Spanish, and Chinese subtitles, it could not possibly be worth a $89 dollar price tag per half(rightstuf price)





Cars I like start at $20,000 and up so no im not gonna care about a t-shirt at that price point lol. Those trinkets which you call gimmicks people like me enjoy them and yes it does sway my purchase. True the artbook and the soundtrack might not equal the value but the artbook/soundtrack majority of the time is exclusive to the release its given in. It's not something that can easily be bought on the side. Soundtracks you could probably import some of the more popular from Japan but then your ending up at the same cost as buying an Aniplex release. Obviously trinkets sell since even Funimation is doing it lol.

Like you told me earlier, you can just stream the show since no one is forcing you to buy the "inferior" products Aniplex puts out. I am a collector of anime products and I'm the person Aniplex is targeting. They target the people who like those trinkets and even go out and buy other products related to the anime. It's a business model that has obviously been working for them since they've been doing it now for a few years. I don't see them changing there business model anytime soon and I, unfortunately for you, see them continuing to be successful.

Also, trying to tell me I was cheated out of my money is pretty stupid to be harshly honest. I know what I'm getting for my money that I work my ass off for. I want my blu rays with good video quality and sound. If your selling me something for $89 and only a few episodes it better include some trinkets. You got some trinkets that I like then you have my money. It's the same with movie and video games. Again, hate to break it to you but you are not the target audience for Aniplex.
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It doest not mater how big Aniplex is or how much they do for the industry.

If they continue exploiting the consumer, the consumer will look elsewhere. Their prices have only inflated in the past 3 years. Aniplex is not as big as Bandai, they can't sustain the same business model that collapsed Bandai visual.
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Isn't a lot of Aniplex's stuff imported? It's always going to be expensive. The real expensive stuff is usually for collectors. New shows are always expensive though.
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