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Why would I pay 40$ for 4 episodes can someone help me
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Posted 7/4/14

Felstalker wrote:

If they continue exploiting the consumer, the consumer will look elsewhere. Their prices have only inflated in the past 3 years. Aniplex is not as big as Bandai, they can't sustain the same business model that collapsed Bandai visual.

I wonder if in another 3 years they are still in business and charging the same prices, if you'll admit you were wrong about their inevitable collapse, or if you'll still be saying, "Wait for it...".

I don't like Aniplex's prices either, but fortunately I rarely buy physical media. That said, if I wanted something badly enough, I would pay the price.

If you are right, AoA will either eventually fail or change their business model.

Perhaps you are hoping to affect change by convincing others to avoid paying for their releases, but I honestly don't see you changing enough people's minds to make a dent.
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spikespiegel1632 wrote:

lol oh wow so you have a problem that we (people who buy Aniplex titles) choose to buy them? I mean i understand where your coming from I am not trying to say you are wrong about their pricing. However, you just explained how Aniplex is able to sell at these prices. They strike while the iron is hot to make more sales. Yes it is greedy but they are a business first and they need to make money. Like you said at the end, the licenses sell themselves. I did not buy SAO for the dub that's for sure lol. I feel a little bad for you people but im not gonna stop buying series I love that I can afford because they price higher than other companies because Aniplex is my only option to get a physical release with English subs. Plus i do love their packaging



The problem is that it sets a bad precedent that can be dangerous to the rest of us that can't afford to drop $300 for a series. If more and more fans start buying into this HORRID strategy, what would happen if Funimation and Sentai started to follow suit? I will tell you what would happen... the anime market DIES in the West and we all lose. Prices like that are INSANE and are NOT worth your hard earned money, no matter how good the series. I would LOVE to own Aniplex titles, but I refuse on principle to ever support Aniplex's price controlling racket which is border-line anti-consumer. It would be like if people actually bought into the X-Box One's always on DRM to connect to ANY game, and having people defend the horrible business decision. All that it does is hurt ALL OF US (including you, who is getting ripped off BIG time.) The only way that anything will change is by voting with your wallet. You just have to stop buying Aniplex titles till they figure out that we aren't going to take their BS any longer. Once their little racket gets hammered in the face, they will have no choice but to change strategy to make it more consumer friendly, or they go the way of Bandai and get destroyed and their titles lost in limbo till better run businesses pick up their titles one by one and sell them at a reasonable price. Supporting them only damages everyone in the long run. :/
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Man, you can watch it here again and again without inserting and ejecting any disc. Sure if it's just to collect, no problem.
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TheAncientOne wrote:
That said, if I wanted something badly enough, I would pay the price.


Normally, I'd agree, o wizardly one, especially as a Super Robot Wars fan ($100+ for a new game from Play Asia), but, y'know, if it gets to the point where one complete season of an anime is almost equal in price to a full-out gaming console (with no games included), IMO, that's where you have to start asking a few questions about the business model.
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Any company selling disks is not getting my money regardless of pricing. I've seen everything I wanted to see and usually don't have the time or need to see series I've already seen. I only go back during lulls between seasons or especially slow seasons. I bought a few disks in the past, but since I only watch series once then move on it doesn't make sense to own something that's only going to collect dust. Streaming is the only economical way of getting my anime fix.

If I watch eight series this summer season (maybe more, but let's go with eight) each series has four episodes of each anime /month, so I watch 24 episodes per month. So depending on how you choose to look at it Aniplex is charging $40 for four episodes then according to Aniplex I watched $240 worth of anime for about $8. I think I'll keep up with the streaming.

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I wouldn't mind paying 100$+ for a Blue Ray that was a complete collection.

This 4 episodes per disc is using up too much space.
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Felstalker wrote:



When your success relies on consumer ignorance, you're bound to fail.

We already saw this with the gaming industry, companies like Capcom and EA exploiting their consumers. And it's backfired as the consumers fought back.

Saying "its not going away, and there is nothing you can do" isn't only a lie, its a self serving one. The industry relies on the consumer, if they want to put out inferior products I will not buy them. I will inform others not to buy them, and I will instead buy from other companies who DO provide the standards I set.

People are already dismissing Magi's absurd release, and HEAVY complaints about Kill la kill months before release. I was recently at A-kon in Dallas, and not even the sly convention dealers could sell anything from Aniplex. Everybody just dropped the sets once they saw the 80+ pricetags.

It will go away, we just have to know better.




Well, it is true that they rely on the consumer and you would think form all the opposition to the prices they would have stopped doing this, but it seems to be working. They are people who are buying, and they're probably selling more than enough to keep doing it.

It could go away, but you need a lot of people not to buy.
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All the smarter supporters showed up when I was asleep, yay.



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Well, it is true that they rely on the consumer and you would think form all the opposition to the prices they would have stopped doing this, but it seems to be working. They are people who are buying, and they're probably selling more than enough to keep doing it.

It could go away, but you need a lot of people not to buy.


A lot of people aren't buying. In all these interviews I'm finding, Aniplex says the same self fufulling thing. If people don't buy their DVDs, they weren't a fan. If Aniplex leaves america like Bandai, its because the US consumer market doesn't care for Anime.

That's a huge load of shit! They're charging more because they aren't selling enough DVDs! It is not worth to them the time to promote and provide a quality anime product, ergo they sell the anime like they would in Japan.

This is the US. Were a pretty big place. Any company that disregards this market is probably an idiot. I can assure you that having US fans is worth your money. Its not like less fans gives more money. They simply don't want to earn these fans.

Selling titles on their individual reputation can backfire so easily.
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Felstalker wrote:

All the smarter supporters showed up when I was asleep, yay.



skydive47 wrote:


Well, it is true that they rely on the consumer and you would think form all the opposition to the prices they would have stopped doing this, but it seems to be working. They are people who are buying, and they're probably selling more than enough to keep doing it.

It could go away, but you need a lot of people not to buy.


A lot of people aren't buying. In all these interviews I'm finding, Aniplex says the same self fufulling thing. If people don't buy their DVDs, they weren't a fan. If Aniplex leaves america like Bandai, its because the US consumer market doesn't care for Anime.

That's a huge load of shit! They're charging more because they aren't selling enough DVDs! It is not worth to them the time to promote and provide a quality anime product, ergo they sell the anime like they would in Japan.

This is the US. Were a pretty big place. Any company that disregards this market is probably an idiot. I can assure you that having US fans is worth your money. Its not like less fans gives more money. They simply don't want to earn these fans.

Selling titles on their individual reputation can backfire so easily.


What do you mean by quality Felstalker?
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What do you mean by quality Felstalker?


Here is a randomly found rant from some random blog like thing that is written smarter than I could put it.

http://thenullset.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/dear-aniplex-youre-setting-puella-magi-madoka-magica-up-to-fail-in-america-and-you-probably-wont-even-know-why/

A particular section talks about the difference between the English Dub trailer for Madoka and compares it to Function nation dub trailers.

When I talk about the quality of a set, I talk about the amount of value the release provides. The value of the show is only a piece of this value. Nobody would buy a show like Genshiken or Eyeshield 21 at prices above $40, while plenty of people will shell out the $100 of Madoka Magica.
English dubs are expensive projects. Voice actors, translation, directing. It takes work. Thus you should expect the DVD release to cost more.
Whether or not it has a dub is important. Sentai Film works will release cheaper DVDs for shows that do not contain english dubs.
Clannad and Clannad after story we released subs only, only to come back with subbed versions due to popularity. It cost me $25 to own After Story sub only. That is a proper price, perhaps a bit too generous. But they clearly made enough to rerelease the title WITH an expensive dub this time.

The quality of the cast, the ease or difficulty of obtaining the show, the price, the extras, the damned case it comes in. A lot of things go into the value of a set. The show can be watched free, online, right now.
You had better damn make a DVD purchase worth it.
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Felstalker wrote:

It doest not mater how big Aniplex is or how much they do for the industry.

If they continue exploiting the consumer, the consumer will look elsewhere. Their prices have only inflated in the past 3 years. Aniplex is not as big as Bandai, they can't sustain the same business model that collapsed Bandai visual.


As a CONSUMER I beg to differ. Yes those prices are crazy, however I still buy their dvd/blurays why? Because I want it. I don't care if I have to save up months before to get it, I'll get it. Yes it would be nice if the prices went down. don't ever see that happening though, AND I don't ever plan on stopping my support. Look at it this way they don't plan to sell thousands like Funimation or Sentai. They plan to only sell a limited amount for a limited rage of anime fans. They know not everyone will be okay with these prices but some will and they will pay for it, and that's all that really matters. It's business, smart business at that. I mean I bought the imported Fate/Zero set and have yet to open it. I don't regret it one bit either. So for every hundred or thousand people who are not okay with the prices there will be one who is. And that one is all that Aniplex needs.


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This is a basic premise in any retail.

First release product at price point you think the major "fans" of whatever you're selling will buy it. Car. Videos. Clothing. Games. Computers. Whatever. Then once your sales start to slide you bring down the price point to catch the people who really want what you're selling but can't afford or won't pay at the "fan" price point. Wait for those sales to dip. Lower the price again. Limited sale. Special deal. Bundle. Something that either lowers the price or adds extra value so you get the next tier down of customers. Eventually you hit the bottom tier at which point you've milked everything you can from the product and you move to the next.

How many games have you seen released at $50-$70 only to see them six months to a year later on "special sale" for $9.99? And it happens over and over so you know if you'd just be a bit patient you could save tonnes on games. But you want to play it NOW so you fork over your money.

"Time is money" has many different meanings.
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WitlessMean wrote:

Isn't a lot of Aniplex's stuff imported? It's always going to be expensive. The real expensive stuff is usually for collectors. New shows are always expensive though.


Thats part of the problem, isn't it? Instead of providing a release in the states, they import their Japanese product to the western market.

This way they get away with charging more because quote unquote "import" when they're actually spending less money by reusing the packaging and junk of the Japanese release. They charge more for less work. This is why I call them tricky bastards.

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We are all consumers here, worry not. But Aniplex is a business. A company. Not a person.
Just because they get away with such ludicrous prices does not make it a good business strategy. It is, as Orga777 put it, anti-consumer and you should be appauled by it, they are getting away with murder here. Murder on the industry and consumer base, and this is smart?

Aniplex wants to overcharge their products, to this end they monopolize the more dedicated Anime titles and hold the consumer at gunpoint. Buy our product for this price, or never get it at all. Why lower their prices? Its not like anybody else sells Madoka Magica.

How much anime are you actually buying?
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Posted 7/4/14 , edited 7/4/14
Is it really anti-consumer when almost everything they do release is available for free streaming?
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Is it really anti-consumer when almost everything they do release is available for free streaming?


Streaming is not a service everyone uses or has access too. This also is part of what brought down companies who relied on this strategy.

Streaming has made the DVD sets a worse deal, so they decrease supply and up the prices? Meanwhile you have other companies instead offer better dubs, better prices, better content in general, and you still believe Aniplex is thinking about you?

They don't care about the consumer. They are trying to cover their asses with a no risk no problem business model.

If Funimation could share the license with Aniplex, and they both produced a Dub and released it in the states, who would win? If Aniplex didn't have a monopoly on their titles, how would they compete?

They don't like streaming, its forced them into a corner of sorts. They're using hardcore fans like a flotation device , tryingnot to sink. The Hardcore buys a title regardless, SO UP THE PRICE TO MAKE UP FOR THE LACK OF BUYERS!

Instead of quality, they're just relying on impatient buyers wanting the product. Because they limit who sells their product as well, they don't have to lower prices later on. Nobody else sells SAO, so why lower the price? People will get used to overpriced shit they believe.
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