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So... Let's talk AVP.
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And let's pretend Alien Resurrection never happened (please).
Anyway, the Alien threat is that they're giant ants with acid blood. Understandably terrifying to us humans. But in Aliens, the only movie where there is more than one xenomorph (again, we're pretending Resurrection never happened), humans easily destroyed like 50+ of them with regular guns. Am I supposed to believe that the Predators, who knew about these insectoid monsters and prepared for them as master hunters, can't just...you know...shoot them? With heat-vision, stealth camo, and freaking LASER CANNONS, shouldn't the Predators be able to handle these big bugs no problem? As far as designs, I like the xenomorphs more than the Predators, who seem to die all the time based on misplaced pride, but how can the canonical movies clearly demonstrate that all you need is a turret to waste hordes of Aliens, when a Predator can struggle to defeat a single Alien despite all its advanced technology and tactics.
It makes no sense. AVP was one of my favourite nostalgic SNES games as a kid (not to mention its other cool incarnations), but now that I think about it, and now that I consider the movies, it just makes me angry and belligerent. GWAARGH!
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Lol this is hilarious. Thanks.


Um. You know what they say, it's a "movie". I always said the same thing. The predators should be dispensing of the aliens no problem. In a lot of cases they do, but honestly there probably shouldn't be an casualties on the predator side.....ever.
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LOL, this pic is the only thing suitable for this thread.

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AVP 2

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Anticosm wrote:

AVP 2

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If by horror you mean hilarity, yes. I crapped myself when that girl got giant shuriken'd. From laughing so hard.
Edit: Unless you mean the FPS game. In that case...yeah. Can't wait for Isolation. Though I'll probably be too wussy to play it. ;_;
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I feel the biggest cause of death to the Predators is definitely arrogance. Another would be the fact that the Aliens are stealthy creatures, waiting for the right opportunity before they strike, in an attempt to catch their prey off guard. The other tactic they rely on is sheer strength in numbers. You can be the strongest among the Predators, but you will eventually fall to their seemingly limitless numbers.

The reason I think the turrets were so effective is the fact that they are machines, so they don't need to worry about facing them head on. I'm sure you know they have acid for blood, which is another thing that makes them so hard to kill. Even if you chop off it's tail, you now have to worry about the acid pouring out and dissolving your flesh. Turrets far away don't have to worry about that sort of thing.

Like you said, Predators do have shoulder cannons but we don't know enough about them to say if they're reliable enough. For example they could need time to charge after x amount of shots. Another thing to consider is again their pride, Predators are all about fighting head on and killing for trophies. I could see it as being looked down upon for staying in the back shooting them rather than fighting them at close range.

Give a man a gun and he can shoot someone dead, that doesn't prove anything. He's hiding behind the weapon. If he can face him straight up in his face, then THAT'S impressive.
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I thought the predators hunted the xenomorphs as more of a sport than a threat, so it might be possible they'd avoid using weapons that would take the fun out of it, you follow? That's just my take, I haven't watched an Alien/Predator movie in years so I might be wrong
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Arrogance is definitely their downfall (from Arnie and onward), but it has got to have a limit. At what point do you allow yourself to die when you can effortlessly win and try again for your trophy? The Aliens are certainly strong in numbers (actually, only strong in numbers), and that's what I meant by the "ants with acid" thing. They're just...bugs. One-on-one they're fragile garbage, and they die quite easily. With any projectile weapon, you win, and anyone could kill one.

I'd be cool with the whole "stealthy killer" thing, if not for the infrared vision. Against scared humans it works, but it doesn't really matter how well you can hide if Predators can pick you out of the shadows and pop your crunchy chitin skull--from afar--with their weapon of choice. Invisibly.
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Even humans who aren't necessarily raised in a completely honor focused world will kill and die for honor. Why is it so surprising and unthinkable that predators, who kill for sport and are raised completely around honor, would consider their lives to be insignificant against honor? Run away and try again later? That would just show how weak and pathetic that predator would be and would probably get it killed by its own kind.
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Well in the case of the first AVP movie they don't really have a choice. There are 3 Predators and none of them have guns or shoulder cannons. All of the guns are inside the pyramid, and it's kind of their initiation to go and retrieve their weapons, which is why they're there in the first place.

I think it's pretty ridiculous to say they're fragile garbage. In the movies you see them lift the Predators with just their tails, and knock them around through walls and shit. Furthermore the acid is much more of a problem than you make it out to be. Even if you do cut them, the acid eats through most of their blades, so now you're out of a weapon. Unless you kill them with the first hit you're in trouble.

Infrared vision and invisibility are great, but they don't always get a chance to make great use of it.
In the first AVP, the first Predator is so focused on killing the humans that he doesn't notice the Alien hanging on the wall behind him, and dies.. The technology is only as good as the one using it.

In some cases their reliance on technology is their downfall. The second of the three Predators dies after ensnaring an Alien in a net. He moves in for the finishing blow, when (to his surprise) the Alien breaks free and kills him.
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Hm... Perhaps, perhaps...

If weak little humans can shred dozens of Aliens (see: "The Illegal Alien" Vasquez), shouldn't the technologically advanced Predators, with all their spinning, blasting, flaying gadgets, be even more effective against them? I get the concept of "death before dishonour" (one did self-destruct before the power of the Schwarz) but how could a Predator allow itself to be killed by something so decisively inferior? It's not like they're intelligent creatures that could bypass its infrared through mud coverage. I suppose it just forgot to use its infrared, or it didn't pass bladed wrestling school?
I think not.
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I feel like we're getting off topic, the question is basically why are turrets more effective than Predators, but they aren't. Both are effective.
Predators hunt Aliens for sport, so clearly they must be good at it, some are better than others sure.
If you want to see Predators kill a bunch of Aliens, go watch AVP Requiem.

Death before dishonour is their entire philosophy, so no they aren't going to resort to fighting like cowards. The exception is when there are large groups of Aliens. They'll use guns to thin out their numbers so they can head in to kill the last few.

The entire reason Predators hunt Aliens is because they recognize them as a challenge. Killing men is simple for them, there's nothing manly or challenging about that.
Posted 7/6/14
From my limited understanding the predators don't view the aliens as inferior and that is the whole point of hunting them the way they do. That being the required skill needed to kill them without using those things. This is also why the aliens, as hunters, can't be considered unintelligent. They are highly skilled hunters worthy of the predators attention.
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You want to ignore Alien: Resurrection to discuss Alien vs. Predator? Can we not just ignore them both?
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