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Hello!
So it's one thing that has been bothering me.
How come that we who don't live in the US don't have access to the majority of the anime's on the site?
Can't be very good for business, since i can watch any anime at any time for free on other sites.

Sure quality may be crap compared, but it's still there!

So mind sharing some light on the subject?
Thanks <3

(We get way less than others, yet we pay just as much)
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Posted 7/6/14
What he said or why isn't our membership cheaper (or US more expensive)?
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Posted 7/6/14

chaosek wrote:

What he said or why isn't our membership cheaper (or US more expensive)?

There are a number of reasons, but here is one:

What if you moved to or visited another country where more or less anime was available?

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chaosek wrote:

What he said or why isn't our membership cheaper (or US more expensive)?

There are a number of reasons, but here is one:

What if you moved to or visited another country where more or less anime was available?



That should honestly not be a reason.
This is the internet and a payed subscription.

If i subscribe to a monthly box of stuff that is shipped from the US to Sweden i should not expect less stuff because some of the items aren't available in Sweden.
And isn't that also why some subscribe in the first place?
To have easy access to the favorite anime.

It is sites like these that tries to takes a step away from piracy. Discourage and give people a payed legit option to watch anime.
But with exclusivity like this i would say its promoting piracy.
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Posted 7/6/14

VickePony wrote:

That should honestly not be a reason.
This is the internet and a payed subscription.

If i subscribe to a monthly box of stuff that is shipped from the US to Sweden i should not expect less stuff because some of the items aren't available in Sweden.
And isn't that also why some subscribe in the first place?
To have easy access to the favorite anime.

Consider that the licenses for CR has for anime vary by country.

For arguments sake, let's say you are charged less. Then you move to or visit the US (or another country that has more anime available). Suddenly you have access to more anime, but you are still paying the lower price.

Likewise, what if you moved to or visited a country that has less anime (e.g., many countries in Asia)?

You would also have problems with people faking an address in the country with lowest cost and then subscribing.


Also, if you think how much you pay should be based on the number of titles, then shouldn't the price being going up every season? Do you really want that?

You are also assuming it costs exactly the same amount per episode per viewer to bring shows to any country as it does to the US.


You knew what you were getting when you subscribed. That's what the free trial is for and why CR offers free viewing. Asking for a lower price after the fact is just haggling.
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Well the easy answer would be licensing issues. CR has to buy the streaming rights to every anime. Every country has a separate license fee I would assume. As far as the payment goes, we paid the same during the early days of CR when there were few anime and we are paying the same when there is more. The price is a constant everyone agrees with before paying it. If you don't like the service just cancel the subscription.
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Regional restrictions are still complicated. Sometimes, those titles are exclusively licensed by other companies in your region, or CR got their license through a North American company. Recently, CR has started licensing shows without rights to stream in NA, such as this season's /barakamon, so it's not completely one-sided.

Check sites like Daisuki.net, Wakanim.tv/wakanim.co.uk, or other anime licensing sites/companies in your region to find a legitimate streaming source for new anime.
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Sucks that it's that way D: licenses are such a bother in my opinion.

But yeah I think one that I wanted to watch was steins gate. But I can't watch via CR from where I am
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Posted 7/6/14 , edited 7/6/14

Fuddbender wrote:

But yeah I think one that I wanted to watch was steins gate. But I can't watch via CR from where I am


I believe CR had to remove Steins;Gate for NA users because of FUNimation's license. You should be able to see the show on FUNimation.com or Hulu (limited video availability).

Source: /forumtopic-740922/steins-gate-marathon-needed (videos may be gone for all users worldwide)
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Posted 7/6/14

TheAncientOne wrote:


VickePony wrote:

That should honestly not be a reason.
This is the internet and a payed subscription.

If i subscribe to a monthly box of stuff that is shipped from the US to Sweden i should not expect less stuff because some of the items aren't available in Sweden.
And isn't that also why some subscribe in the first place?
To have easy access to the favorite anime.

Consider that the licenses for CR has for anime vary by country.

For arguments sake, let's say you are charged less. Then you move to or visit the US (or another country that has more anime available). Suddenly you have access to more anime, but you are still paying the lower price.

Likewise, what if you moved to or visited a country that has less anime (e.g., many countries in Asia)?

You would also have problems with people faking an address in the country with lowest cost and then subscribing.


Also, if you think how much you pay should be based on the number of titles, then shouldn't the price being going up every season? Do you really want that?

You are also assuming it costs exactly the same amount per episode per viewer to bring shows to any country as it does to the US.


You knew what you were getting when you subscribed. That's what the free trial is for and why CR offers free viewing. Asking for a lower price after the fact is just haggling.

I think we both have valid and good arguments.
I appreciate what CR does. And i figured it was the licences that was causing the problem.

I knew what i was going in for. 7 USD is almost nothing for what i get.
I still watch a lot of awesome animes, just that i wish there were more. (Such as Attack on Titan and One Piece)
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Ah well, it's not even about the money really. €5 is pretty cheap for the number we still have access to, but it's just frustrating you can't watch certain anime or have to wait a month. Adding insult to injury in SAO2 case is the fact that UK & Ireland viewers do have 'early' access and probably can see more than mainland Europe. But I guess the English are more American than European anyway .
But I guess it can't be helped and if I really want to watch something I guess there are more than enough alternatives.
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Posted 7/15/14 , edited 7/15/14
Just look how did it look few years ago when I've joined CR. Those were all simulcast I got for my 7 $ (2 of them were 3 min).
Compare to that there is almost no reason to complain. And I really hope that some day every show licensed for US will be also mean EU
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Like people said above, but phrased differently.

Lets say a company A licenses anime series from its Japanese rights holder. Now Company A has only the rights to distribute the show inside the US as they were too cheap to get a worldwide license (or nearly so) or just refuse to give rights to anyone outside of the US. Then Crunchyroll gets the rights to stream the show from Company A, but since Company A can't or won't redistribute outside of US, so can't Crunchyroll (I'm guessing this is the case with One Piece for an example as it is licensed by Funimation).

Then there are/might be cases where Crunchyroll licenses the shows themselves and get worldwide (or nearly so) distribution rights. Or they might get rights from a company that got a worldwide distribution rights to begin with.

However, if there is a case where Company A gets rights to distribute in the US and Company B in the EU, it would be rather expensive for Crunchyroll to get rights from both of those companies.

However, in my personal opinion, it is unfair for EU customers to pay the same price as I think they don't even pay the VAT for membership so essentially even that can't be used as an excuse (and even if EU members pay for VAT, which is not reflected in membership comparison page, it would still be unfair as they do not get same amount of content).

<super rant incoming>
Honestly, we get quite a little for our money no matter which region we are from. The streams have problems all the time, the 3rd party device apps have several problems which are not addressed nor does it seem they ever will on some platforms, website is still from the stone ages and its social platform integration could use several improvements (seriously, why can't i conveniently find out what forums posts I have made? Or if I can, I sure as heck can't find the method which would be a problem anyway). I've been a registered member since only 2010, I know things were worse back then and were even more so before that. CR started as an illegitimate anime episode sharing site if I recall so they surely have come a long way. However, the pace of improvements are slow. They do have several open job positions open so maybe they are thinking of expanding and things will be changing to the better in the future. I sure do hope so. I personally just watch shows from my TV noways since the social platform here is not worth investing my time with as it is now nor can I recommend CR premium membership to anyone who watches only few shows a year or even per season.
</rant over>

TL;DR: Licensing reasons. Its a mess.
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