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Is an Order absolute!?
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OniTenyu wrote:

There is a set of military laws set out for the behavior of military personnel, called the Uniform code of military justice, or UCMJ for short. Besides these basic laws there is also rules and laws set forth by the Geneva conventions, and the basic rules of military orders which states a lawful order being:

Conforming to UCMJ
Conforming to Geneva conventions
Coming from a competent and right of mind leader
Promoting Military Customs or Promoting sanctioned military action.

Within these it prevents from the most trivial matter of lawful orders (the minimum size of an object you can force someone to clean with being 1 square inch) to the most extreme, (launching a nuclear missile that was not fully verified due to communication down time and an upset or trouble captain)


I was sadly amused to see this topic resurrected, until I realized that it had finally been addressed sensibly. Being prior military myself, I would add that all orders are absolute--that is what makes them orders. For better or for worse, however, obeying a given order is always a personal decision.
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13 Trillion... I could buy more nukes and end the world... Muwahahahahahah
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Posted 10/1/14 , edited 10/1/14
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Yah, I didn't notice how long ago the last post was until after I submitted, but there wasn't an answer given that just addressed the question directly so I figured it was fine.
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The situation doesn't conflict with my morals and values tho.
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No I won't do that.

I won't pander to someone's whim just because they say so. I'd need more reasons to comply. I won't put myself in danger on anyone's order neither will I endanger another over orders.
Posted 10/1/14 , edited 10/1/14
i'd read the small prints

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I wanna nuke something, i wonder how drunk on power id get after pressing a button that ends millions of people lives.



lol. it's funny they wouldn't want to do the honors themselves... it's just a button. so
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Go read up on the Milgram experiment. It's basically the same thing about following orders from authority.

Personally i might have seeing as i'm not that good under pressure
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Nope, me and authority go way back and we are not the best of friends either. I hate when people want to boss other people around. As far as nuking people for money, I wouldn't. It goes against my morals and what am I going to do with an incentive so useless.
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I will always do what i feel is the right thing to do. If my nuking a city i could end a war then i would. if killing someone meant saving someone i feel is worth saving then i would.

Also i feel if some threatened those that i hold dear i don't think i would have to follow through with the order so i don't have to watch those i care for die. Even if this turns me into a selfish murderer who values his love ones more than a city full or people
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severticas wrote:

i'd read the small prints

Urboistar wrote:

I wanna nuke something, i wonder how drunk on power id get after pressing a button that ends millions of people lives.



lol. it's funny they wouldn't want to do the honors themselves... it's just a button. so


There is alot more to it than just pressing a button, we have so many safeguards to make sure no one or even two people could launch one. We use several teams to actually cause a launch, and that is just on the actual submarine. Outside the submarine you also have even more safeguards before it reaches us. It has to pass through multiple layers of verification and then re-encoding before transmittal. I always find it funny now with the whole thought of a single red button.

Also why do most people think or at least act like there isn't a good reason behind our possible use of it a nuclear weapon? If we are launching a nuke you are damn sure its because we have either had a nuke launched at the US already or there is about to be one launched at the US.
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^^Which is the reason why Nuclear Weapons are more useful as a deterrent than a weapon, and more than any single person, should be given the nobel peace prize for preventing World War III ^^

Remember, if you press that button and you loose the war, its the hangmans rope for you; following orders is not a defense when it comes to crimes against humanity. I agree with OniTenyu; nukes should only be used if nukes are used.
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Posted 10/2/14 , edited 10/2/14
Depends. If it's just someone telling me to kill a large population with no evidence or proof that something worse would happen if I didn't? No. Take my chances.

If it is the case where evidence shows that it would be beneficial in the long term....yes. This is one of those cases that makes me look inhuman because I'll agree with the extremists at times in fiction for doing horrible things.

Kill 300,000 Batarians, or the Reapers will arrive early before preparations are ready and exterminate a larger amount. I would kill the 300,000 Batarians to ensure the increased chances of survival for the rest of the galaxy.

Enslave dwarf souls and bind them into golems that are effective at combating the horde of monsters slowly approaching, or break the device that makes it possible and free them all. I would enslave the dwarf souls, and free them once the horde is dealt with.

In such situations, with the limited information and evidence provided at the given times, these are the optimal choices presented that provide the highest chance of success and survival for the large population. Sacrifice the few for the many. Cut off an arm to save the body. Furthermore, I would do the cutting if plausible. No need to make someone else do it if you are fully capable.
Posted 10/2/14
i'd assume it's not my regular job hence the over payment.. the red tape shouldn't matter to me right? o.0
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severticas wrote:

i'd assume it's not my regular job hence the over payment.. the red tape shouldn't matter to me right? o.0


Hire this guy. He's the right guy for the job.
Posted 10/2/14

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severticas wrote:

i'd assume it's not my regular job hence the over payment.. the red tape shouldn't matter to me right? o.0


Hire this guy. He's the right guy for the job.


T_T don't make fun of me...
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