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All the Shinjis and Kiritos of the Anime World
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It seems that there are 2 main reasons people pick favorite characters: They're realistic (easy to relate to) or they're idealized (a.k.a. badass, now keep in mind idealistic and idealized are not the same thing). However, if they are too much of each extreme, they're often subject to criticism. Which is why I'm using Shinji from NGE and Krito from SAO as examples to demonstrate my point. If a character is too realistic, he's a wuss. But if he's too idealized, he's a Gary-Stu. These are the arguments I hear all the time. So I'm wondering, which type of character do you lean more towards, realistic or idealized? On the scale of 1-10 (1 being realistic and 10 being idealized), where's the sweet spot?
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You cannot watch the story of one without barfing shit because of something is, too real.
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I'm pretty sure there is no sweet spot when it comes to characters being too real or too idealized. Honestly it isn't really a point of being too realistic or too idealized for me to like them or not although I tend to like more realistic characters. I think it really depends on the portrayal of the character and how they implement the actions the character does. On a number scale if there was a sweet spot, I would say it would be a 7.
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Hmm. Main characters are subject to a different set of rules. How many of our male protagonists, regardless of genre, are generic brown- or dark-haired dudes with milquetoast personalities?
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I like characters from all over the realism-escapism spectrum, but I'm more critical of escapist protagonists in stories that aren't self-aware or who pose tragically over how much their actually-pretty-alright life sucks ever so terribly.

I feel like they're trying to appeal to my inner angsty tweenager and that pisses me off.
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Insomnist wrote:
I like characters from all over the realism-escapism spectrum, but I'm more critical of escapist protagonists in stories that aren't self-aware or who pose tragically over how much their actually-pretty-alright life sucks ever so terribly.

I feel like they're trying to appeal to my inner angsty tweenager and that pisses me off.

At least you admit to having inner angst. Unlike those types of characters.
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bathroom64 wrote:

At least you admit to having inner angst. Unlike those types of characters.

To be fair it can go both ways, with "realism" (as tragedy) potentially being no less a conceit for its different clothes.

    In this chapter Lewis blasts the idea that "tragedy [...] communicates something called the tragic 'view' or 'sense' or 'philosophy' of 'life'" and "That these miseries, pushed to the extreme, reveal to us a certain splendour in man, or even in the universe" (Lewis, 1965, p. 77), saying: "It seems to me undeniable, that tragedy, taken as a philosophy of life, is the most obstinate and best camouflaged of all wish-fulfilments" (p. 79).

    Lewis, C.S. (1965). An Experiment in Criticism. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press.

Is the satisfaction I get from NGE, Texhnolyze or Casshern Sins any different in kind than someone else's experience watching Kirito from SAO or Tatsuya from The Irregular at Magic High School? It's an interesting question.

In a manner of speaking it's possible we're only criticizing each other for getting high off different drugs. Metaphorically.
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Insomnist wrote:
In a manner of speaking it's possible we're only criticizing each other for getting high off different drugs. Metaphorically.

I tried responding to this 6 times. The site kept crashing. It was something to the effect of "my drugs are better than yours" or something. Who knows anymore.
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bathroom64 wrote:


Insomnist wrote:
In a manner of speaking it's possible we're only criticizing each other for getting high off different drugs. Metaphorically.

I tried responding to this 6 times. The site kept crashing. It was something to the effect of "my drugs are better than yours" or something. Who knows anymore.


Your drugs crashed the site!

There, there. You'll get them next time.
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i feel like there's two sweet spots in that scale. there's a perfect mixture on both ends of your scale. for me it would be 2 and 7.
hope what i'm saying makes sense.
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Thank god! Someone made a thread I can agree with! I'm getting tired of wondering what fans want out of main character.

I'm gonna be honest with myself, on a scale of 1-10 I choose six.
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I think historically speaking, the seven has shown to be popular, but I think the actual sweet spot would be between four and six. So 5.
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I would say that Shinji and Kirito are sort of a false equivalency. Realistic or not, I personally think the worth of a character is heavily based off how complex, original, and how much effort is put into him, and I think Shinji isn't too bad in terms of how he is written, all the stuff you hear about Shinji being a wimp started off as stereotypical jokes that escalated into his mainstream archetype, but I don't think there are people out there who think that despite being a wimp, Shinji is a horribly written character, the nature of a character and how much effort is put in writting that character are 2 separate entities.

When it comes to Kirito, there is a difference between idealization and just plain lazy writing, not having the effort to put any emotional depth or complexity to a character for the sake of laziness, and I think people mistake idealization for just sheer laziness while realistic characters tend to have more depth because there is more effort put into writing their characters so I wouldn't say those 2 are the symbols of the ends of the spectrum, I think that realistic characters have much more weight on them than idealized characters due to the fact that they just have more effort put into them, so I'd definitely lean towards realistic characters, because being realistic and being a wimp are not mutually exclusive, you can be realistic and still be an admirable character, where as idealized characters are usually one way streets of laziness and wish fulfillment. Its very rare to see ideal characters acknowledge their own perfection as a sort of emotional depth, usually its just done for the sake of not bothering to put effort in them.
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Where would Ryner Lute fall? He's my favorite anime character, so that's the sweet spot.

Also throwing my hat in by saying I don't think Kirito's that idealized. He's probably more like an 8.
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No idea.
If I like a character I like them. I don't put extra thought as in why.

I'll post my favorite male characters, since posting my favorite female characters becomes harder the more I think about them. List too long.

Top 2 favorite male characters:
Araragi Koyomi and Kyon.

Where would they fall in?
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