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Giants of the Attack on Titan Anime not that farfetched.
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You keep trying to engage me in some sort of debate, OP.

I've read the previous pages in this thread. I've seen your ignorance, denialism, and lack of critical thinking skills already in the pathetic arguments you have used and continue to try to use, despite several other posters showing you just how wrong you are.

My only hope here is to see if someone else might fall into your trap and in doing so, post something that I might find interesting.

Aww, and I bet you thought I posted for you.
(Apologies to Carly Simon)



My arguments are not as pathetic as yours. You lack an open mind especially from ancient texts from all over the world for the past 10,000 years. But you dismiss them all. SO like I said before if they describe these giants from EVERY ANCIENT CIVILIZATION in the world and you find these to be untrue then you have dismiss EVERY HISTORICAL TEXT, TABLET OR WHATEVER is written on. But you know what you think you know, you don't know. The links I provided defies human thinking and what we know and scientist will continually change AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE.



Oh for fuck's sake.

I read, and quite enjoyed, Herodotus's Histories. I consider it to contain within it many interesting facts and perspectives of the ancient greek civilization and surrounding world.

... Does that mean I believe in giant gold mining ants in India, or that Egyptian women pee standing up while men sitting down (outside no less) or that Hippocleides actually didn't care?

Anyway no text from 10,000 years ago exists, all evidence indicates humans didn't have writing 10,000 years ago. Though why do I have reason to suspect that you are one of those people who claim the earth didn't exist until 10,000 years ago?

*Sigh* I dismiss historical texts or tablets because they are very hard to analyze and people thousands of years ago didn't have much understanding or even contact with their larger surroundings. Stories got twisted like massive games of telephone, learning about foreign lands or strange events wasn't as simple as turning on the television.

As humans progressively have become more connected with fewer games of telephones needed to pass on information, naturally the more fantastical stories of ancient mythology got cleaned up into progressively more mundane events.

I prefer robust evidence ground in current scientific understanding, than pretending that people of ancient times somehow had everything figured out and it was a land of magic and fantasy.

I don't get my understanding of reality from cartoons; as much as I appreciate escapism, I realize that escapism is an ESCAPE from reality, not a true description of reality.


You make it seem like ancient civilization was so dumb. They knew about the stars, planets and knew the world was round. They moved 23 ton CUT stone slabs without machinery. They knew about the constellations and so much stuff even our so called scientist dismissed in the 1700-1900's. They had maps that detailed coastal lines. They built pyramids we cant even do today. To totally dismiss anything from ancient times suggest thats stupid as the scientist who said the world was flat. They did have writing 10,000 years ago on stone tablets. Just because its hard to analyze doesn't mean it cant be analyze which they have been by people smarter than me and you. I understand looking at things from a scientific view, Im all for it. But I am also open to the understanding of what the ancients knew and talked about. If every culture and every ancient civilization talked about giants then we have to go find the evidence which there is some out there now, regardless of anyones believe we cant dismiss the possibilities because it has been written.



They knew about the stars? What did they know? They knew they were giant balls of fusion? Don't think so. They knew the distance of the earth to the stars? Don't think so. If you mean "they knew the position of the stars, and how to find directions using them", then that knowledge hasn't changed in thousands of years, only improved. We never went back to 2nd century BCE starcharts and will we ever go back to them. Our knowledge improves.

They cut stone without machinery? *GASP!* IMPOSSIBLE! Except not really. The reason we don't use hand chisels and use dynamite, heavy excavators, and conveyer belts is because it speeds up literally every step of the mining process while requiring vastly less human labor.

.... In ancient times, demand for mined goods was vastly smaller than current modern demands and techniques for producing mined goods was highly labor intensive.

Which tends to show you that we get better at doing things as time goes on, not worse.

2000 years ago they thought the world was flat and they were wrong, as mentioned, it is an oblate spheroid. Saying it is round is a better approximation than saying it is flat but it is still an approximation.

Science improves. Human knowledge improves. Ancient knowledge while might have been impressive on its own merits, was still quite literally two thousand years of outdated human understanding.

"I can plot stars! ... If they're not those weird 'moving stars' we like to call planets!" is a very far cry from 1600s Kepler saying "I can plot planets!" and 1700s Newton saying "I can predict the path of planets via a consistent mechanism!" and 2000s "I can paths of planets, stars, binary stars, comets, and just about anything in between!"

You don't get to throw away all of modern understanding saying "well they had everything all figured out in the past". No, they didn't. They had some qualitative understandings of concepts which we had to robustly understand many years later.
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You make it seem like ancient civilization was so dumb. They knew about the stars, planets and knew the world was round. They moved 23 ton CUT stone slabs without machinery. They knew about the constellations and so much stuff even our so called scientist dismissed in the 1700-1900's. They had maps that detailed coastal lines. They built pyramids we cant even do today. To totally dismiss anything from ancient times suggest thats stupid as the scientist who said the world was flat. They did have writing 10,000 years ago on stone tablets. Just because its hard to analyze doesn't mean it cant be analyze which they have been by people smarter than me and you. I understand looking at things from a scientific view, Im all for it. But I am also open to the understanding of what the ancients knew and talked about. If every culture and every ancient civilization talked about giants then we have to go find the evidence which there is some out there now, regardless of anyones believe we cant dismiss the possibilities because it has been written.



They knew about the stars? What did they know? They knew they were giant balls of fusion? Don't think so. They knew the distance of the earth to the stars? Don't think so. If you mean "they knew the position of the stars, and how to find directions using them", then that knowledge hasn't changed in thousands of years, only improved. We never went back to 2nd century BCE starcharts and will we ever go back to them. Our knowledge improves.

They cut stone without machinery? *GASP!* IMPOSSIBLE! Except not really. The reason we don't use hand chisels and use dynamite, heavy excavators, and conveyer belts is because it speeds up literally every step of the mining process while requiring vastly less human labor.

.... In ancient times, demand for mined goods was vastly smaller than current modern demands and techniques for producing mined goods was highly labor intensive.

Which tends to show you that we get better at doing things as time goes on, not worse.

2000 years ago they thought the world was flat and they were wrong, as mentioned, it is an oblate spheroid. Saying it is round is a better approximation than saying it is flat but it is still an approximation.

Science improves. Human knowledge improves. Ancient knowledge while might have been impressive on its own merits, was still quite literally two thousand years of outdated human understanding.

"I can plot stars! ... If they're not those weird 'moving stars' we like to call planets!" is a very far cry from 1600s Kepler saying "I can plot planets!" and 1700s Newton saying "I can predict the path of planets via a consistent mechanism!" and 2000s "I can paths of planets, stars, binary stars, comets, and just about anything in between!"

You don't get to throw away all of modern understanding saying "well they had everything all figured out in the past". No, they didn't. They had some qualitative understandings of concepts which we had to robustly understand many years later.

You have very little understanding of what the Mayans and Sumerian knew of the the galaxy. They knew we were in a galaxy, they knew many many things you would think they shouldnt know. Ill show you some pics of ancient tablets. I would encourage you to do your research on ancient sumerians. They havent even inspected half of the tablets they have found. As time goes on we find out they knew more and more about our galaxy and outside our galaxy. These are just a few but like I said do your own research you will be very surprised about what they knew.


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If every culture and every ancient civilization talked about giants then we have to go find the evidence which there is some out there now



I think this is your problem.

You've taken an idea and gone looking for evidence to support it.
The usual way is to get ideas from the evidence that presents it's self.
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You have very little understanding of what the Mayans and Sumerian knew of the the galaxy. They knew we were in a galaxy, they knew many many things you would think they shouldnt know. Ill show you some pics of ancient tablets. I would encourage you to do your research on ancient sumerians. They havent even inspected half of the tablets they have found. As time goes on we find out they knew more and more about our galaxy and outside our galaxy. These are just a few but like I said do your own research you will be very surprised about what they knew.




What exactly are those pictures supposed to prove? That the Mayans and Sumerian were able to gaze at the sky and derive patterns? The same way all other cultures throughout history has done?
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You have very little understanding of what the Mayans and Sumerian knew of the the galaxy. They knew we were in a galaxy, they knew many many things you would think they shouldnt know. Ill show you some pics of ancient tablets. I would encourage you to do your research on ancient sumerians. They havent even inspected half of the tablets they have found. As time goes on we find out they knew more and more about our galaxy and outside our galaxy. These are just a few but like I said do your own research you will be very surprised about what they knew.




What exactly are those pictures supposed to prove? That the Mayans and Sumerian were able to gaze at the sky and derive patterns? The same way all other cultures throughout history has done?


Damn cant you read, I said do your own research on the ancient sumerian artifacts about what they knew about the galaxy and outside the galaxy. They have many writing besides pictures and how did they know about things we can only see now deep far in space.. I dont have time to give you an entire lesson.

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And yet, you decided to start a thread about how the Titans from Attack on Titan really can work because of the bible?
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And yet, you decided to start a thread about how the Titans from Attack on Titan really can work because of the bible?


Really? Did you even read the article. It syas keep an OPEN MIND. I used one source and talked about the phenom of giants in ancient culture. I used the Bible because its the most popular documents supported by every other Ancient civilization in the ENTIRE EARTH in the last 10 thousand years. Look dude you may not like it but worldwide its garnered alot of attention and and received alot of positive feedback, not because of the Bible but because since Attack on Titan is the most popular and people have an open mind about the possibilities of Titans in general. This article is just not here but posted on most social sites. One business site I belong to CEO's from Anime companies actually read it and they found it to be very interesting and like the idea. Ive had fans from all over give positive feedback. So while this is the only site and one other forum where Ive actually had to sit here and argue point after point with needle minded individuals and argue about past historical documents that mean nothing to a few individuals.

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Right, your friends who are CEOs of Anime, LLC found your stuff interesting. Did your uncle work at Nintendo too?
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Right, your friends who are CEOs of Anime, LLC found your stuff interesting. Did your uncle work at Nintendo too?



See what I mean. did I say friends? There called business associates. The article was actually to promote one of a few Anime projects I've already developed and so far its working out good. Ive already had one pitch and working on another now.

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I check out that Facebook page. Do those folks know you're using their deviantart work?

EDIT: Just saw the "movie" too. I'm sure 20th Century Fox, Universal, and who knows how many others would be thrilled to know you're using footage from their movies for your pitch video.
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I check out that Facebook page. Do those folks know you're using their deviantart work?

EDIT: Just saw the "movie" too. I'm sure 20th Century Fox, Universal, and who knows how many others would be thrilled to know you're using footage from their movies for your pitch video.



Yes I have permission and they are contracted. Also its a mesh films which is legal just like all the other mesh films out there. I am not using the movie for my pitch video because my project is a anime project.

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Dude has "business associates."



As if that mattered as to the possibility of giants.

Has anyone noticed that when someone says "keep an open mind" they're usually feeding you a line of bullshit? You hear this all the time from creationists, conspiracy theorists, geocentrists, "crystal power" peddlers, "spirit science" advocates, and other miscellaneous proponents of woo.

They say this because if you then reject whatever woo they're peddling, they can easily and immediately tell you (and themselves) that you're "just closed-minded" and unwilling to question the status quo, when in fact it is they who are exhibiting this behavior in the first place.

On the other hand, a good science educator doesn't have to tell you to "keep an open mind" -- he can prove it.
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JuJuRoll So while this is the only site and one other forum where Ive actually had to sit here and argue point after point with needle minded individuals and argue about past historical documents that mean nothing to a few individuals.


Being sceptical and requiring scientific evidence for something is not being needle minded.
And you have not provided ONE SINGLE SHRED of credible scientific evidence. All you've been doing is giving bogus sources of newspaper clippings and loosely interpratable artifacts, as well as bagging on about how the square cube law doesn't apply to humans -- even though it applies to everything else -- with absolutely NO logical reasoning or evidence to back it up what so ever.
And when I searched for this supposed solar system knowledge that you're referring to, all I got was sites using bible-verses and botus logic to support it. Just like you do.

And even IF I were to grant you that the ancient mayans and sumerians somehow had some awesome insight into the matter of the solar system, it wouldn't matter. Because the rest of your stuff is still based on absolutely nothing. Nothing more than speculation. No scientific evidence what so ever.

It is not we who are narrow minded. It is you who are so open-minded that you will believe anything, no matter how stupid it is, just so long as you like the idea.
You're just like a creationist.
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Dude has "business associates."



As if that mattered as to the possibility of giants.

Has anyone noticed that when someone says "keep an open mind" they're usually feeding you a line of bullshit? You hear this all the time from creationists, conspiracy theorists, geocentrists, "crystal power" peddlers, "spirit science" advocates, and other miscellaneous proponents of woo.

They say this because if you then reject whatever woo they're peddling, they can easily and immediately tell you (and themselves) that you're "just closed-minded" and unwilling to question the status quo, when in fact it is they who are exhibiting this behavior in the first place.

On the other hand, a good science educator doesn't have to tell you to "keep an open mind" -- he can prove it.


Um I guess all the great inventors who went before a company to pitch their invention and then rejected because they didnt have an open mind. LOL thats so funny.

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JuJuRoll So while this is the only site and one other forum where Ive actually had to sit here and argue point after point with needle minded individuals and argue about past historical documents that mean nothing to a few individuals.


Being sceptical and requiring scientific evidence for something is not being needle minded.
And you have not provided ONE SINGLE SHRED of credible scientific evidence. All you've been doing is giving bogus sources of newspaper clippings and loosely interpratable artifacts, as well as bagging on about how the square cube law doesn't apply to humans -- even though it applies to everything else -- with absolutely NO logical reasoning or evidence to back it up what so ever.
And when I searched for this supposed solar system knowledge that you're referring to, all I got was sites using bible-verses and botus logic to support it. Just like you do.

It is not we who are narrow minded. It is you who are so open-minded that you will believe anything, no matter how stupid it is, just so long as you like the idea.
You're just like a creationist.


The newspapers clipping were not bogus if you remember I posted the links to the library of congress who have the newspapers archived. Well when searching for that stuff you didnt look hard enough. All these artifacts are stored in museums have been the subject of numerious discussions scholarly and and on television. How in hell do you know what I know, they are tons of stuff on the internet. Your suggesting that Im using the same sites you found. I have done over 10 years of research on the subject. You dont know jack.

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