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Where does consciousness come from?
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nobody knows and anyone who says they do is lying


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Except I say the brain.
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severticas wrote:

nobody knows and anyone who says they do is lying


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Except I say the brain.


Its all gravy for thought. I think consciousness comes from our parents!
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I think consciousness is the differentiation of the self from the not self. Because we have physical bodies, and the limitations therein, plus we have the sensory capacity to understand and interact with the outside world, and the mental capacity to link cause and effect and know that we have volition and a "will" that can affect cause and effect..... all those things contribute to the ability to have a sense of self, and thus, what is not the self, and that allows us to become self aware, and thus conscious.
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Conciousness is probably the state of mind that is capable of self-recognition.
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Consciousness is the Source of all matter in the Universe. It is not created by anything since it is the Creator of Everything.
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Hmm...a consciousness.
Well if we look at other animals, they are aware, but at the same time we cannot be sure if some are actually aware or not. Would the sort of brain matter?
We know we have consciousness because we are able to interact with one another in different ways and approach aspects of life without agreeing with everyone else. We all have a unique self, or at least that's what we know of presently. For all we know, we could be living another life when our body takes a snooze, or somebody else does, and there's a shift on the scenario.


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descartes would like a word with yall.
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You presumably refer to his famous cogito ergo sum argument?
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I don't think consciousness is spontaneously created. I think it is slowly developed as the brain and sensory organs develop.

If you get hit in the head the right way you're not you anymore. Same if you suffer late stage Alzheimer's. Everything about the mind has a physical basis, or else injury and disease would not affect it. If it were entirely non-physical (like, say, a ghost) then it would not be able to interact with your physical body and pilot it. Memories are the result of physical structures in your noggin, which is why they can be destroyed. This is why I find the idea of "remembering past lives" absurd: even if, and I'm being very generous here, you are reincarnated as a different person, your new brain doesn't have the neurons and synapses your old one did, so none of the memories of your past life could be encoded there.

I don't see any reason to think that consciousness is more than the sum of its parts. It's a very useful evolutionary trait. And it's not unique to us.


'It is not unique to us. It is proven that all the great ape family have consciousness and self awareness. ' so do a other animals.. we are not the only ones.
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It is not unique to us. It is proven that all the great ape family have consciousness and self awareness. ' so do a other animals.. we are not the only ones.


That's a great point, and thank you for bringing that up. I mean, those are some of our best experimental models for a reason, y'know.
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themeliorist wrote:

I don't think consciousness is spontaneously created. I think it is slowly developed as the brain and sensory organs develop.

If you get hit in the head the right way you're not you anymore. Same if you suffer late stage Alzheimer's. Everything about the mind has a physical basis, or else injury and disease would not affect it. If it were entirely non-physical (like, say, a ghost) then it would not be able to interact with your physical body and pilot it. Memories are the result of physical structures in your noggin, which is why they can be destroyed. This is why I find the idea of "remembering past lives" absurd: even if, and I'm being very generous here, you are reincarnated as a different person, your new brain doesn't have the neurons and synapses your old one did, so none of the memories of your past life could be encoded there.

I don't see any reason to think that consciousness is more than the sum of its parts. It's a very useful evolutionary trait. And it's not unique to us.


'It is not unique to us. It is proven that all the great ape family have consciousness and self awareness. ' so do a other animals.. we are not the only ones.


Even so, bear in mind the measure and evolutionary differences between different ape species, specifically humans and their cousins. Its hardly equal or the same.


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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

It is not unique to us. It is proven that all the great ape family have consciousness and self awareness. ' so do a other animals.. we are not the only ones.


That's a great point, and thank you for bringing that up. I mean, those are some of our best experimental models for a reason, y'know.


Given the ethical ban on human experimentation (and for good reason) notwithstanding, its about as good as it gets, I suppose.

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


themeliorist wrote:

I don't think consciousness is spontaneously created. I think it is slowly developed as the brain and sensory organs develop.

If you get hit in the head the right way you're not you anymore. Same if you suffer late stage Alzheimer's. Everything about the mind has a physical basis, or else injury and disease would not affect it. If it were entirely non-physical (like, say, a ghost) then it would not be able to interact with your physical body and pilot it. Memories are the result of physical structures in your noggin, which is why they can be destroyed. This is why I find the idea of "remembering past lives" absurd: even if, and I'm being very generous here, you are reincarnated as a different person, your new brain doesn't have the neurons and synapses your old one did, so none of the memories of your past life could be encoded there.

I don't see any reason to think that consciousness is more than the sum of its parts. It's a very useful evolutionary trait. And it's not unique to us.


'It is not unique to us. It is proven that all the great ape family have consciousness and self awareness. ' so do a other animals.. we are not the only ones.


Then it's possible to prove consciousness and self-awareness in AI?
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Conciseness, in my belief, is a part of our spiritual self. although we have many complexities within our being, I believe that all of our "parts" so to speak, can be grouped up into two different sides, our physical human side and our spiritual side where our conciseness resides. although our souls cannot physically be harmed that is where our emotions exist, in fact I would say our emotions are the very essence of our soul and our conciseness is the manifestation of our emotions within a physical vessel that is able to feel physically as well as emotionally.
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I think consciousness is an emergent phenomena like wet. Solid H20 isn't wet, unless you rearrange its structure to make it water. If I'm dead or asleep, I'm made up of the same things but I'm not conscious. Combine this with the mind's ability to understand our position in relation to space and time. This means if you build AI with only outward functions in mind, perhaps it won't be conscious since it's lacking in internal information integration.

I don't think it needs to be a perfect process since there are some people that are seemingly partially conscious for some reason. They don't know if they lift their arms and etc.
Posted 12/13/14

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the mind's ability to understand our position in relation to space and time. This means if you build AI with only outward functions in mind, perhaps it won't be conscious since it's lacking in internal information integration.
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this makes me think of experiments such as those carried out by Karen McCombs, Tetsuro Matsuzawa, Pierre Pica, Brian Butterworth etc... that give good understanding into how and why humans and animals intuition favor approximate understanding of numbers.

things like fear of immigrants for example, lead me to think that it's a case of human's fear of larger numbers.. even if wrong to think of it as an invasion, some people would because they're survival instincts are wrongly triggered when the reality is that the numbers aren't as large as they think or as worrisome. for example, Andreas Neider conducted experiments to find out what happens when we hold numbers in our head.. larger numbers triggered more number-sensitive neurons that were and were not associated with the number... for example, we'd think of 30 and neurons that prefer surrounding numbers would be active too causing a chaotic sense of the number but when we think of smaller numbers there was less chaos .
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