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Posted 7/14/14 , edited 7/14/14

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phogan wrote:



and bam, there it is,
so much legal jargon D:
Thanks man


Under their TOS one could argue hitting view source in their browser is a violation. I am willing bet their CDN if not their actual website uses some open source software, looking at that a violation as well? The problem with ridiculously broad TOS.

I guess I shouldn't browser this site with my modified router cause I can see all the http traffic. Lol

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Posted 7/14/14

phogan wrote:

Under their TOS one could argue hitting view source in their browser is a violation. I am willing bet their CDN if not their actual website uses some open source software, looking at that a violation as well? The problem with ridiculously broad TOS.

I guess I shouldn't browser this site with my modified router cause I can see all the http traffic. Lol



all tos are like that, it's to cover every possible little thing, or at least give them the freedom to ban easily

Then again if no one is around to see, did it happen? nin

Posted 7/14/14 , edited 7/14/14
Yeah, I just find how absurdly broad these things are funny. :)




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Note to CR: the authorities are going to look at you pretty funny if you call them cause someone caused embarrassment, not to mention with a few exceptions it's probably protected speech anyway.
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Posted 7/15/14

phogan wrote:

Note to CR: the authorities are going to look at you pretty funny if you call them cause someone caused embarrassment, not to mention with a few exceptions it's probably protected speech anyway.

I believe that would fall under "or take any actions it deems appropriate" (e.g., banning you from posting) rather than "notify authorities".

Also, free speech rights are considerably more limited when a private entity is involved. After all, this is what the First Ammendment states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

To give an example, if a Windows tech site decided that they wanted to make even mentioning Apple in their forums a banable offense (perhaps due to one too many flame wars), they could do so. Despite it clearly limiting your speech, it isn't illegal, because it is neither the government taking this action, nor are they attempting to limit your right to speak about it in public.

A lot of people seem to think the First Amendment gives them the right to say whatever they want wherever they want.

If someone starts making racist remarks in a restaurant, for example, that restaurant is fully within their rights to refuse to serve them, ask them to leave, and call the cops if they don't. If that same someone was in a government owned public park, then the First Amendment comes into play.
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Posted 7/27/14 , edited 7/27/14

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SAO II is available legally and for free on Daisuki. That's where I've been watching it. They also have a few other shows that aren't available on CR in my territory (like Madoka).

I know the licensing situation is not nice for a lot of territories, but it is getting better over time and blaming Crunchyroll for it won't help things at all.


I don't know that anyone is blaming CR, so much asking asking why they should continue paying for it when the licensing for a region is limited at best. It might not be CR's fault but I can understand how license uncertainty can be annoying when paying for a service.

Well, the OP's wording reads like he thinks Crunchyroll values US customers much more than others, when they are in fact trying to get series for as many territories as they can while still earning profit. I get that the licensing is annoying, especially since my territory is often left out too (maybe not as often as some), but the licensors are often the ones making decisions on what is an NA only series or which other limited territories they pick. Complaining about it on forums isn't going to help anyone.

If CR had different pricing models for territories based on their selection, people would most likely circumvent it to get cheaper premium and it would just make things worse.


So they advertising and promoting a show I cannot watch with no information about it until you get hit in the face on the day of release is okay with you?

I am no expert in licensing, but do not advertise shows coming to paying customers and then say on the release date you are not allowed to watch it.

I could easily get most if not all shows on this site for free, but I choose to support something I like. And when you then get hit in the face and have been informed will be available, yes it is CS fault. Label it US only then.

I also have Netflix, in US you can watch tons of anime. But here you cannot. Thats fine, but they do not advertise it as if all users will be able to watch it. So yes, do not blame it on licensing when it is pure laziness on CRs part.
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So they advertising and promoting a show I cannot watch with no information about it until you get hit in the face on the day of release is okay with you?

I am no expert in licensing, but do not advertise shows coming to paying customers and then say on the release date you are not allowed to watch it.

I could easily get most if not all shows on this site for free, but I choose to support something I like. And when you then get hit in the face and have been informed will be available, yes it is CS fault. Label it US only then.

I also have Netflix, in US you can watch tons of anime. But here you cannot. Thats fine, but they do not advertise it as if all users will be able to watch it. So yes, do not blame it on licensing when it is pure laziness on CRs part.

I am not sure where you got that advertising thing from. I reread my post a few times and I don't see where I mentioned the advertising. I was only talking about Crunchyroll acquiring licenses to different territories.

When CR confirms they are streaming a series, they tell in the news post which territories can watch it. It is not revealed on the release date like you said (unless the news post is posted then but in cases like that they aren't advertising it before that either). Did you not know this?
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