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Concern about Sexualization in Anime
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GayAsianBoy wrote:

I personally believe in artistic freedom over objectification issues.

This.

Plus I believe sexualization only becomes a problem if we try to censor it.
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To me, No Game No Life fan-service is tongue-in-cheek with women characters that are more useful than many other non-sexualized anime women (SAO side-characters reek of this even though many of their females don't show much skin. I find it amusing that you can stand the SAO1 anime and not No Game No Life).

I find that the true intentions of No Game No Life was to poke fun at excessive fan-service. It's an anime that's extremely aware of itself in the same way Kill La Kill has the most obvious fan-service yet treats its females like males in every other respect. Satsuki and Ryuko carried the show like bosses, albeit on their bare shoulders.

I mean, how could you lose respect for Jibril when she's one of the most dangerous, psychotic, and dependable support characters in No Game No Life? >:O

I have a friend who is a digital artist. As she puts it: "There's no justifying fan-service" because everything regarding the creation of media is VERY well thought out. There's no "unintentional" in any of it. However, there's well-done fanservice and terribly done fanservice, but imho for a harem anime No Game No Life does it really well.

I really don't recommend dropping No Game No Life. The story and the characters are too good to be dropped just because of this.
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I did not read through anything other than the initial post, so I apologize now if I say anything anyone else already has.

Well, I absolutely HATE ecchi, and all fan service...but I love the storyline in most anime that I watch, even if it is highly sexualized. I just ignore it and think of it as it is, an animated show, and though it is disrespectful to the gender portrayed sexually, it is not real (hopefully...). It is rather awkward to watch sexualized anime sometimes, but I do not believe you should drop them (like No Game No Life) just because of this. If you like the show other than that, you should keep watching it.
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harukohaha wrote:

To me, No Game No Life fan-service is tongue-in-cheek with women characters that are more useful than many other non-sexualized anime women (SAO side-characters reek of this even though many of their females don't show much skin. I find it amusing that you can stand the SAO1 anime and not No Game No Life).

I find that the true intentions of No Game No Life was to poke fun at excessive fan-service. It's an anime that's extremely aware of itself in the same way Kill La Kill has the most obvious fan-service yet treats its females like males in every other respect. Satsuki and Ryuko carried the show like bosses, albeit on their bare shoulders.

I mean, how could you lose respect for Jibril when she's one of the most dangerous, psychotic, and dependable support characters in No Game No Life? >:O

I have a friend who is a digital artist. As she puts it: "There's no justifying fan-service" because everything regarding the creation of media is VERY well thought out. There's no "unintentional" in any of it. However, there's well-done fanservice and terribly done fanservice, but imho for a harem anime No Game No Life does it really well.

I really don't recommend dropping No Game No Life. The story and the characters are too good to be dropped just because of this.


....Thank you. I've seen so many people utterly rip on NGNL purely in terms that fanservice is present without getting this. I like some fanservice shows (DxD for example... but DxD also falls into that self-aware category) but typically I treat it like anything else in that I'll watch it if its good. The thing that bothers me when people harp NGNL for it is like you said; its a self aware, tongue-in-check, campy show. Its like complaining about the muscular men posing in Jojo's because its utterly stupid (and it is). Its part of the charm.

I also find that being sexualized but having a personality is better than the opposite. Because of this I have to disagree with the OP about the females in NGNL; they may be sexualized but the author respects them because they have clearly fleshed out personalities and development which like I said is far more important.
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Sexualization is happening in other industries.

Deodorants and Perfumes
Movies
etc

It is a way to market to some audience's but as some others have said sometimes its used to explain the person more, of course sometimes it isn't but then you will have more sexulized females that are actually able in doing something useful rather than just stamdomg around in other anime.
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It's up to you on what level you watch, I sort of feel you'll just be able to ignore it more as you go on though, you can go to my anime list and search whatever show and if its tagged as ecchi you can just not watch it, I used to do that. Back in the day when I was an anime noob, I randomly watched 1 ep of Sumomomo Momomo back when I didn't really know about ecchi shows, and I basically started to avoid all ecchi shows for quite some time and was like wtf was that shit? Then I realized some shows regardless if they are ecchi or not will have fan service in them, and because of this you just sort of get used to it, and with time you stop really caring I guess. For the longest time I didn't watch railgun/index because I had seen that really bad shower part towards the start of railgun lol. But that show is really good, Iam glad I was able to get over it and watch it. But still if you watch 2-4 episodes and you don't like it because of whatever go ahead and quit it. Steph was very unappealing to me tbh, and overall I didn't really like ngnl that much. Words I would use to describe ngnl would be trashy, fake, fun and exciting.

But like I said it is still up to you in the end.
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I have reservations, though they mainly circulate around my tastes being contrary to a significant portion of anime fanservice. I often find myself feeling "left out" and bored with overt "plot"; however, on occasion, I do react with amusement, and may even end up fully accepting it.
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What concerns me more is the problem of desensitization done by superficial portrayal of catastrophic death. Killing people is considered OK compared to sexualizing them. However, I see both issues as being thorny parts of the human condition too be labeled for parental stewardship and the publics general consideration. I see censorship as best performed by the consumer's pocketbook or wallet rather than the government.
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I've said it many times and I'll say it again: fanservice isn't the problem itself. It's only when it's used to the excess or when it's the only thing an anime has to offer that it becomes problematic.

I would simply recommand the OP to avoid all the Moe/harem/ecchi shows like the plague.
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It's an interesting subject but I'm not convinced that "sexualisation" is a bad thing. I don't see why a person can't have a personality and still be sexually attractive, that's kind of what romantic relationships are based on. Even if you only see the sexual side of a person you'll probably still be able to realise that they do have a personality so I don't see that it's inherently disrespectful. I don't see a problem as long as you're not doing anything unpleasant to them or being dishonest (pretending to be interested in their personality but only being interested in sex, for example... I guess the opposite would be bad too).

If anything, I'd say it's somewhat disrespectful to suggest that a person shouldn't have a sexual side or that showing it makes them less of a person. That's a very outdated (but sadly still too common) attitude. I'm not saying anyone here has done that, just making a point.


UVmatician wrote:

Its really awkward, I'm a guy, and I really want to respect girls and not be lusting after them. I recently had to stop watching No Game No Life, it was by far my favorite story on here. But I felt like I couldn't respect women and watch a show that seems to take every opportunity to portray them as sex objects and make them strip.

I think you may be trying too hard, you should be able to respect women and lust after them if you want. If you're confident that you're incapable then it's something you could work on. Failing that, you can just continue to avoid those situations that make you uncomfortable. Just don't go blaming anyone else. Hmm, that sounds kind of harsh but I mean it in the nicest way (don't feel so bad and just enjoy anime, I guess).

There's also the whole "these aren't real people and it's unfair to suggest that people can't distinguish reality from fantasy" argument but I don't think it's necessary.

All that being said, if there are elements of a show that stop you from enjoying it then you should just try something else. It's not really worth watching things you don't enjoy and everyone is entitled to their personal tastes (that goes both ways though, don't give something up just because some people don't like it).
Posted 7/15/14
Eh, people sexualize everything in basically anything except maybe some kid's movies.

As long as the fanservice doesn't feel out of place from the show, who cares? Something like AOT wouldn't work with fanservice in my opinion because it's about people trying to not get eaten alive. Having huge floppy tits and panty shots galore and all would make it look beyond stupid. But if it's a harem highschool setting, who cares? All just depends on the story and shit if fanservice in the work is jarring or not.

Also, not every fanservice shot is objectifying, or 'not respectful' or whatever. It depends how the scene is handled. Besides, they're cartoons. Their feelings don't matter. As long as you're capable of separating fictional girls from real ones you'll be fine.

If you want to find ratings (like PG, G, 17+ types) for anime, My Anime List has them on the anime's pages.
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Is someone and object because they are sexually attractive?
Is someone an object because that attractiveness is flaunted?
At what point does simply showing a fictional characters physical attractiveness become objectification?
A persons answer to this says more about them than it does about the media in question.
You can still find someone sexually attractive and NOT objectify them. Ever had a significant other? Exactly! Just like that.
A person can wear revealing or very limited clothing and NOT be objectified. Swimming pools and beaches are a thing.
Just because someone has a large bust or *GASPS* bathes doesn't make them a sex object; your view of them is what does that.

I for one can watch something like Rail Wars! and take away from it that Haruka needs to invest in a decent sports bra rather than "ermagerd she has big boobs fap fap fap". See how something that could be sexualisation or objectification to one person can be comic relief for another? It is all about your own viewpoint and interpretation of the matter rather than the subject itself.

P.S. Obvious some stuff IS just outright objectification like Hagure but you get the idea
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To be honest, if you believe that anime is sexualised, then it's not really the industry having this issue, it's you on a personal level. What you find sexualising, for others it's just lines drawn on a piece of paper which means nothing to them (and then there are some who are on the other extreme). Now that anime is getting easier and easier to get hold of, you are being exposed to all manner of genres of shows, both good and bad with all manner of clothing or lack therefore on characters. Also if you think some of these stuff is sexualised, you haven't seen some of the hardcore hentai stuff. But that's going to the extreme end of things.

And you have to keep in mind that a lot of these anime are broadcast late at night where kids don't usually watch this stuff. If you take Sailor Moon as an example, this show has mainstream appeal so it's broadcast at prime time (between 5-6pm) in Japan where both adults and children can watch. During this time there are strict broadcasting standards that any shows have to adhere to if they don't want to have a flood of complaints coming in from parents.
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Posted 7/15/14
Someone slap this kid
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Captainkirko wrote:
Someone slap this kid

Which part and how hard?
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