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Originality in anime is definitely dead. It's a lot of the same just reprocessed under different names. Anime right now is like the fast food industry.

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Originality in anime is definitely dead. It's a lot of the same just reprocessed under different names. Anime right now is like the fast food industry.


Complaining about originality at this day and age? Like whut... of course there's nothing truly original anymore pretty much every idea has been tried... this is not even limited to anime. Also originality isn't a measure of how good something is.

Now if by original you mean something that is not adapted... then you're still wrong. This season alone has a good number of original shows.
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AliceLilit_ wrote:

Originality in anime is definitely dead. It's a lot of the same just reprocessed under different names. Anime right now is like the fast food industry.


Complaining about originality at this day and age? Like whut... of course there's nothing truly original anymore pretty much every idea has been tried... this is not even limited to anime. Also originality isn't a measure of how good something is.

Now if by original you mean something that is not adapted... then you're still wrong. This season alone has a good number of original shows.


Well aren't you fun.

I was referring to how the same stories are continuously recycled. I don't mean adaptations and I don't mean using ideas more than once. I mean shows that are pretty much carbon copies. You are right that it happens outside of anime. Originality to me is either coming up with something completely new or using existing ideas and creating something refreshing with them.

I'm not so much complaining as it is making a statement. I see certain aspects of anime that has become unoriginal and some that aren't. Also, the first part of your response basically validates what I said about originality. "there's nothing truly original anymore."

I can only base my opinion on the 250+ anime titles that I've seen. If I'm missing a show that can offer that refreshing use of ideas then I'd like to hear them, Wouldn't it better serve you and myself for you to recommend something to change my point of view; instead of being critical?

I also said "it's a lot," not all.

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No not dying, but I do agree that it's got quite stagnant. There seems to be an infinity of rom-com moe harem shows right now, probably more than all other genres combined. But the industry is always changing. It's very different than what it was a decade ago, when I first got into anime, and will be very different again a decade from now.
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Just because it is rehashed doesn't mean it can't be well made.
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AliceLilit_ wrote:


MartianMage wrote:


AliceLilit_ wrote:

Originality in anime is definitely dead. It's a lot of the same just reprocessed under different names. Anime right now is like the fast food industry.


Complaining about originality at this day and age? Like whut... of course there's nothing truly original anymore pretty much every idea has been tried... this is not even limited to anime. Also originality isn't a measure of how good something is.

Now if by original you mean something that is not adapted... then you're still wrong. This season alone has a good number of original shows.


Well aren't you fun.

I was referring to how the same stories are continuously recycled. I don't mean adaptations and I don't mean using ideas more than once. I mean shows that are pretty much carbon copies. You are right that it happens outside of anime. Originality to me is either coming up with something completely new or using existing ideas and creating something refreshing with them.

I'm not so much complaining as it is making a statement. I see certain aspects of anime that has become unoriginal and some that aren't. Also, the first part of your response basically validates what I said about originality. "there's nothing truly original anymore."

I can only base my opinion on the 250+ anime titles that I've seen. If I'm missing a show that can offer that refreshing use of ideas then I'd like to hear them, Wouldn't it better serve you and myself for you to recommend something to change my point of view; instead of being critical?

I also said "it's a lot," not all.


I don't think anyone in here is denying it. Like I said at this day and age complaining about "originality" is silly. Even shows that you think is "original" is bound to have something similar that predates it that you simply do not know about.

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Just because it is rehashed doesn't mean it can't be well made.


^ I'll repeat it again originality is not a measure of how good something is. A singer can do a cover of another person's song and can be subjectively better. The same way a show can be a "rehash" of something and can be better than the shows that predates it. If you're so stuck up with originality I highly doubt you'd find anything good by your standards and I'm not just talking about anime.

Also I quoted you specifically because you're stating that "originality in anime is dead" in a "anime is dying thread." Given the context it gives the impression that you are complaining about anime being "unoriginal" and it's a bad thing.
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It's not dying, but it is clearly very stagnant. Any artistic media that's been alive long enough will suffer this. Just look at movies, tv shows, games, music. It's filled with cookie cutter stuff that appeals to the masses. And that's fine and dandy, because people enjoy it, it makes money, and it will go on. But what makes me sad is when something unique comes along and gets rejected for being too different. Stuff like Ping Pong, Kill la Kill, Kyousogiga, hell even Aku no Hana. It's at the point where studios are afraid to step outside of the box and experiment. They'd rather stick with what's safe and they know will sell well.

Hopefully studios like Trigger will continue to seek ways to get their visions out to the masses.
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Well, certain aspects of the industry are dying, but as a whole it is still going. I'll just leave it at that considering that more shows are airing than ever before. This season features 45+ shows, while last year at this time, it was around 30. But yes, the industry has been stagnant considering that the number of moe-centric shows that is designed to appeal to the masses in the Japanese audience, so there's that.
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I had hoped that the popularity of Attack on Titan would cause a paradigm shift in anime developers' minds, but I guess not.
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It's not dying, but it is clearly very stagnant. Any artistic media that's been alive long enough will suffer this. Just look at movies, tv shows, games, music. It's filled with cookie cutter stuff that appeals to the masses. And that's fine and dandy, because people enjoy it, it makes money, and it will go on. But what makes me sad is when something unique comes along and gets rejected for being too different. Stuff like Ping Pong, Kill la Kill, Kyousogiga, hell even Aku no Hana. It's at the point where studios are afraid to step outside of the box and experiment. They'd rather stick with what's safe and they know will sell well.

Hopefully studios like Trigger will continue to seek ways to get their visions out to the masses.


Kill La Kill is being rejected for being too different?
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I had hoped that the popularity of Attack on Titan would cause a paradigm shift in anime developers' minds, but I guess not.


Not true.

I guarantee you that shows like Knights of Sidonia would not have been approved to be animated if not because of AoT.
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MartianMage wrote:


AliceLilit_ wrote:


MartianMage wrote:


AliceLilit_ wrote:

Originality in anime is definitely dead. It's a lot of the same just reprocessed under different names. Anime right now is like the fast food industry.


Complaining about originality at this day and age? Like whut... of course there's nothing truly original anymore pretty much every idea has been tried... this is not even limited to anime. Also originality isn't a measure of how good something is.

Now if by original you mean something that is not adapted... then you're still wrong. This season alone has a good number of original shows.


Well aren't you fun.

I was referring to how the same stories are continuously recycled. I don't mean adaptations and I don't mean using ideas more than once. I mean shows that are pretty much carbon copies. You are right that it happens outside of anime. Originality to me is either coming up with something completely new or using existing ideas and creating something refreshing with them.

I'm not so much complaining as it is making a statement. I see certain aspects of anime that has become unoriginal and some that aren't. Also, the first part of your response basically validates what I said about originality. "there's nothing truly original anymore."

I can only base my opinion on the 250+ anime titles that I've seen. If I'm missing a show that can offer that refreshing use of ideas then I'd like to hear them, Wouldn't it better serve you and myself for you to recommend something to change my point of view; instead of being critical?

I also said "it's a lot," not all.


I don't think anyone in here is denying it. Like I said at this day and age complaining about "originality" is silly. Even shows that you think is "original" is bound to have something similar that predates it that you simply do not know about.

Also:

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Just because it is rehashed doesn't mean it can't be well made.


^ I'll repeat it again originality is not a measure of how good something is. A singer can do a cover of another person's song and can be subjectively better. The same way a show can be a "rehash" of something and can be better than the shows that predates it. If you're so stuck up with originality I highly doubt you'd find anything good by your standards and I'm not just talking about anime.

Also I quoted you specifically because you're stating that "originality in anime is dead" in a "anime is dying thread." Given the context it gives the impression that you are complaining about anime being "unoriginal" and it's a bad thing.


I'm not really interested in why you quoted me nor to see you repeat yourself.
I'm not complaining, I'm stating a personal observation. I'm not talking about similar shows and death is relative. Originality is dead to those in anime who create shows which are essentially direct copies of others. It happens often and to those who don't. originality is alive to them. In general speaking since I think those who directly copy are more common than those who can create something original, I generalized and said originality in anime is dead or... would you like a dissertation for everything?

When did I ever say it was bad? Well, it certainly can be, but not always. I may have miss typed and should have typed originality is dying.
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AliceLilit_ wrote:I'm not really interested in why you quoted me nor to see you repeat yourself.
I'm not complaining, I'm stating a personal observation. I'm not talking about similar shows and death is relative. Originality is dead to those in anime who create shows which are essentially direct copies of others. It happens often and to those who don't. originality is alive to them. In general speaking since I think those who directly copy are more common than those who can create something original, I generalized and said originality in anime is dead or... would you like a dissertation for everything?

And like I said given the context your post gives the impression that you are complaining about anime being "unoriginal."

You can see from the other people how they can claim the industry being stagnant without implying a correlation to the thread title.
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Glytchy wrote:

It's not dying, but it is clearly very stagnant. Any artistic media that's been alive long enough will suffer this. Just look at movies, tv shows, games, music. It's filled with cookie cutter stuff that appeals to the masses. And that's fine and dandy, because people enjoy it, it makes money, and it will go on. But what makes me sad is when something unique comes along and gets rejected for being too different. Stuff like Ping Pong, Kill la Kill, Kyousogiga, hell even Aku no Hana. It's at the point where studios are afraid to step outside of the box and experiment. They'd rather stick with what's safe and they know will sell well.

Hopefully studios like Trigger will continue to seek ways to get their visions out to the masses.


Kill La Kill is being rejected for being too different?


I've seen it get much more hate than praise elsewhere on the internet. Granted that could be a case of the vocal minority vs. the non-vocal majority.
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Glytchy wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Glytchy wrote:

It's not dying, but it is clearly very stagnant. Any artistic media that's been alive long enough will suffer this. Just look at movies, tv shows, games, music. It's filled with cookie cutter stuff that appeals to the masses. And that's fine and dandy, because people enjoy it, it makes money, and it will go on. But what makes me sad is when something unique comes along and gets rejected for being too different. Stuff like Ping Pong, Kill la Kill, Kyousogiga, hell even Aku no Hana. It's at the point where studios are afraid to step outside of the box and experiment. They'd rather stick with what's safe and they know will sell well.

Hopefully studios like Trigger will continue to seek ways to get their visions out to the masses.


Kill La Kill is being rejected for being too different?


I've seen it get much more hate than praise elsewhere on the internet. Granted that could be a case of the vocal minority vs. the non-vocal majority.

KLK is doing just fine. It's success can't be compared to AoT but it's very far from being a flop.
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