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Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine
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Posted 7/17/14 , edited 7/17/14
(CNN) -- A Malaysia Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has crashed in eastern Ukraine, Russian news agency Interfax reported Thursday.
Malaysia Airlines confirmed that it lost contact with MH17, and the flight's last known position was over Ukrainian airspace, the airline said on Twitter.
The jet is a Boeing 777, according to Interfax.
The plane reportedly went down near the border between Russia and Ukraine.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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Posted 7/17/14
Some people are claiming the plane was shot down.
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For a Southeast Asian perspective:
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/wrap-malaysia-airlines-jet-mh17-believed-shot-down-295-dead-20140718

I saw the news on TV and noticed that the reporter kept talking about how this would affect US relations with Russia. I'd like to hear from international (non-US) Crunchyroll users: what are your thoughts and reactions to this?
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Posted 7/17/14
LOL @ CNN, real news agencies are saying Ukraine is calling it a terrorist act by Pro-Russian rebels. We won't know until the investigation but I'm sure Kiev will take full advantage of the eventual cease-fire and bomb them to kingdom come. What happens after that? I think they'll get greedy, try and take back Crimea cause a war with Russia which they would sure lose.
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Posted 7/19/14
Rumors that rebels were just testing a missile when it accidentally hit that plane. It's maddening if the rumor is true.
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Posted 7/19/14 , edited 7/19/14
Assuming the recordings of pro-Russian militants admitting they shot down an unarmed passenger plane are ultimately verified, and assuming the missiles and platforms which were used are traced back to the Russian Federation, Putin's going to have a very hard time worming his way around this one. It's a pretty unconvincing argument that these sort of things are Ukraine's fault and that Kiev needs to get things under control when the person making said argument is simultaneously feeding weapons to the very people who are destabilizing Ukraine in the first place.
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Posted 7/19/14
i don't know what to think about this but i do think that the government know exactly what's going on but they just refuse to let us civilians know
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Posted 7/19/14 , edited 7/19/14
Anyone entertaining the thought that CNN probably shot it down? The missing plane fiasco got them out of ratings Hell for a few weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson Cooper or Wolf Blitzer are out there hunting these things down every quarter to keep their viewership up.
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Posted 7/21/14
It is confirmed to be shot down by a lot of officials and news outlets including the ones from Russia.
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MeBeingMe wrote:

It is confirmed to be shot down by a lot of officials and news outlets including the ones from Russia.


What you will find those outlets and officials are disputing, however, is who shot down that plane. Russia would love to pretend that Ukraine's legitimate government is somehow responsible for this debacle, but the available evidence at the moment very, very strongly suggests that pro-Russian militants fighting against the Ukrainian government are responsible and that they were using equipment, ordinance, and training supplied by Russia.

The Russian response to this version of the story has been nothing but bullshit so far.
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The Russian Federation continues to make the outlandish claim that Ukraine is responsible for the downing of that civilian airliner despite the fact that it had already entered Ukrainian airspace and been identified as a civilian craft (ruling out the argument that it was either mistaken for an aircraft controlled by rebels or a Russian military craft), that the plane was shot down in rebel-controlled territory where Ukrainian SAM installments weren't present (ruling out a case of mistaken identity by a Ukrainian ground unit), that satellite imagery and recent events (sources below) clearly demonstrate the continued flow of Russian personnel and equipment into disputed territories, and finally that there is no evidence whatsoever to support any of the various (and laughably thin) conspiracy theories the Russian media keeps vomiting out to make the case that Ukraine knowingly and intentionally shot down a civilian airliner or guided it into harm's way.

This entire situation is completely outrageous. Putin and the Russian media might as well stamp "I AM A LIAR" right on their foreheads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ukraines-frontline-troops-surrounded-by-enemies/2014/08/03/7b14eb4a-b76f-46c2-b402-b834f0fa4d6b_story.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28632292
Posted 9/15/14 , edited 9/15/14
I read those articles and I agree whole-heartily he is a monster, hardly trustworthy and should be stopped.
It is no secret that Vladimir Putin want to rebuild the Soviet Union no matter how catastrophic the cost; the background of this old-school communist and former KGB agent should make it as no surprise that he wants to reunify even by force the former ex-soviet satellite countries, and he doesn't care what Americans, his enemies of long past think. He's utterly ruthless and president obama never took a firm enough stance on putin's actions in the ukraine, and the president's approval ratings reflect this much. This isn't a tangent, I consider it linked. Often this drop happens with lame duck presidents,though I fault much of the blame on Bush leaving obama to clean up he damage done by the imperialism associated with his hawkish presidency, and the scandals of the Clinton administration further tarnish the US image.Putin knows exactly what hes doing,and whats more he doesn't care what we think if hes lying. Its a kinda in-your-face cowboy mentality, and its compounded when he makes obama look weak (or obama lets himself look weak, lame duck, what can you do?)
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Those innocent people were of course non-concombatants, on the aircraft as well as in the ukraine, and thus this indeed qualifies as terrorism. *shakes her head*
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Zeboim wrote:

I read those articles and I agree whole-heartily he is a monster, hardly trustworthy and should be stopped.
It is no secret that Vladimir Putin want to rebuild the Soviet Union no matter how catastrophic the cost; the background of this old-school communist and former KGB agent should make it as no surprise that he wants to reunify even by force the former ex-soviet satellite countries, and he doesn't care what Americans, his enemies of long past think. He's utterly ruthless and president obama never took a firm enough stance on putin's actions in the ukraine, and the president's approval ratings reflect this much. This isn't a tangent, I consider it linked. Often this drop happens with lame duck presidents,though I fault much of the blame on Bush leaving obama to clean up he damage done by the imperialism associated with his hawkish presidency, and the scandals of the Clinton administration further tarnish the US image.Putin knows exactly what hes doing,and whats more he doesn't care what we think if hes lying. Its a kinda in-your-face cowboy mentality, and its compounded when he makes obama look weak (or obama lets himself look weak, lame duck, what can you do?)

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Those innocent people were of course non-concombatants, on the aircraft as well as in the ukraine, and thus this indeed qualifies as terrorism. *shakes her head*


Some interesting developments throughout this debacle include:

- Moscow admits there are Russian soldiers in Ukraine, but insists they're all "volunteers" present entirely of their own volition.

- Ukraine has announced its intentions to join NATO and is beginning the process of applying for membership.

- NATO will be conducting joint exercises in northwestern Ukraine this week and has granted permission for member states to provide lethal aid.

- Convoys of Russian trucks are repeatedly entering and exiting Ukrainian territory without permission from Kiev, now entirely uninspected. According to Moscow an offer to inspect the vehicles was made, but rejected by Ukrainian customs. Kind of reminds me of the Winter War, when the Soviets so "generously" air dropped "food" to "desperately starving" Finns.

- A ceasefire between Ukrainian and rebel forces has proven to be too flimsy to function as repeated shellings and gunfights are occurring.

So we're expected to believe that Russia's armed forces cannot control their own men and that Ukrainian customs agents don't care if Russian trucks pass in and out uninspected and without Kiev's permission. Yep, I can totally buy that.
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Returning to the situation in Ukraine, temporary semi-autonomy has been granted to rebel-held territory and amnesty has been granted to any rebel not involved in the downing of commercial airliner MH17. Meanwhile, rebels are expected to disarm, vacate any government buildings, and turn over any prisoners in exchange for these provisions. This semi-autonomy is to last for three years, but the rebels' leadership insists on receiving full autonomy. Russian forces are increasing in Crimea at the moment.

An agreement has been established between the EU and Ukraine, but its trade provisions will not come into full effect until 2016 due to Russian pressure on Ukraine. In the meantime restrictions on European goods in Ukrainian markets will remain in place, but Ukrainian goods will hit European markets immediately.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29220885
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