So I made a Story....
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Posted 7/18/14 , edited 7/19/14
So the plot of this story involves a mangaka who has reached fame for one of his award winning series.

Upon reaching a moment in his life where he decides to reach a conclusion to the manga, he develops writer's block and falls into a moment of sadness due to other life problems.

While thinking of what to write next, he falls asleep and wakes up in the world of his own manga.

The mangaka gradually grasps concepts in this world he created and comes to a realization that because of his knowledge of the world, he is a step ahead of everyone.

He grows into the main antagonist of the story as he is succumbed by the power

The MC of the manga, whose character is influenced by the mangaka himself vows to defeat the mangaka after a series of events caused by the mangaka

The mangaka also tries to solve the mystery of how he got into the world and what answers to his troubled life exist inside this world.


The story is just a thought and I know that It can be developed more but what thoughts do you have on it's premise?

Please feel free to leave some criticism and don't be lazy to write whatever you want

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Posted 7/18/14
go
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it

nah but seriously. simple idea, loads of potential.
could be very interesting.
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Posted 7/19/14 , edited 7/19/14

stridersix wrote:

go
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nah but seriously. simple idea, loads of potential.
could be very interesting.


Thanks, if someone could be critical though. I am trying to improve my 'Original Concept' creation skills
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Isn't this the central theme of Lasboss x Hero? I'm tempted to say, as with most stories involving real life individuals falling into alternate worlds, problems relating to modern technology versus anything in that world tend to abound (Gate - Thus the JSDF Fought There). Especially when applied to problem solving and the mangaka is fairly educated. Of course, if all else fails, there are dust explosions and adjustable delivery methods. Or other things we can easily acquire by applying electric charges to water and various materials (when in doubt, early battery models can be copied). If the setting is futuristic, similar problems still occur, but those are more related to how well the mangaka can take advantage of the structural failures specifically set in place for the MC to originally take advantage of (or just selling his services to the highest bidder and working up from there). Finally, when the mangaka becomes the antagonist, he'll likely be trope savvy, winding up in a dead end for the MC and co.
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Posted 7/19/14

BakaNikujaga wrote:

Isn't this the central theme of Lasboss x Hero? I'm tempted to say, as with most stories involving real life individuals falling into alternate worlds, problems relating to modern technology versus anything in that world tend to abound (Gate - Thus the JSDF Fought There). Especially when applied to problem solving and the mangaka is fairly educated. Of course, if all else fails, there are dust explosions
and adjustable delivery methods. Or other things we can easily acquire by applying electric charges to water and various materials (when in doubt, early battery models can be copied). If the setting is futuristic, similar problems still occur, but those are more related to how well the mangaka can take advantage of the structural failures specifically set in place for the MC to originally take advantage of (or just selling his services to the highest bidder and working up from there). Finally, when the mangaka becomes the antagonist, he'll likely be trope savvy, winding up in a dead end for the MC and co.

Man!! It's scary how the main premise of Lasboss x Hero is exactly the same as mine and I have never even heard about it!!!

It even exposes a spoiler that the mangaka wasn't truly in his manga but he drew himself into it and he shown his skills by creating a realistic scenario that makes the reader believe that the mangaka is actually trapped in the manga.

It's basically the same thing except that in mine, the manga is successful and it's soo good that the fanbase worries about how it will end and this puts immense pressure on the mangaka and then he develops writer's block.

The difference I am guessing is that the world is realistic, just different names to things and different systems with a few physics-bending properties and it's basically government 'dogs' vs gangs and the mangaka is an outsider who plans world domination.
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If it's a realistic setting, then you'll run into the second category of problems, which stems from the mangaka knowing more about the world than the characters themselves. By taking advantage of his knowledge, it'd be easy for him to integrate himself into nearly any hierarchy by sharing key information concerning whatever party (or parties) stand in opposition.

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While certainly, the world might react differently now that the mangaka isn't directly writing its development, the general trends and predictive values should easily fall within his expectations.
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Posted 7/19/14

BakaNikujaga wrote:

If it's a realistic setting, then you'll run into the second category of problems, which stems from the mangaka knowing more about the world than the characters themselves. By taking advantage of his knowledge, it'd be easy for him to integrate himself into nearly any hierarchy by sharing key information concerning whatever party (or parties) stand in opposition.

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While certainly, the world might react differently now that the mangaka isn't directly writing its development, the general trends and predictive values should easily fall within his expectations.


Loving your thoughts dude! Helps me think more about it.

In the world of the manga, the mangaka's character is more intelligent and selfish than his real-life counterpart soo he can easily integrate himself into nearly any hierarchy but the mangaka's thought process is story-focused because he always questions himself as to whether it will make for a great story.

So integrating himself into nearly any hierarchy with key info that he possesses seems too short-lived.

Instead, he will challenge himself by making much more difficult moves and only 'cheat' with the knowledge he has in desperate situations.

Also, just started thinking about the characters.

The mangaka in the manga is a loner type and due to the wide knowledge he possesses, he is very tactical. His character in the manga is influenced by Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass).

The MC in the manga is everything the mangaka aspires to be in real life. Part of his character will be influenced by Spike Spiegel (Cowboy Bebop)
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Posted 7/19/14
sounds like a story I would read. Go for it!
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I don't think so. If he's coming at it from a narrative perspective:

    1) A unified organization (especially one that absorbs other branches, if on the government side, or 'acquires' other organizations, gangs), provides additional resources and a level of discipline that cannot be as effectively duplicated otherwise. Further, it allows for rarely witnessed character development of antagonists as they happen rather than post-fact.
    2) A monolithic organization provides a greater challenge for the MC to overcome (if he does not fail prior) and gives an effective "out" for antagonists the MC thought he had defeated (timely rescues and so on).
    3) Acting as a puppeteer means he won't necessarily be caught associating with the enemy organization(s) if he decides to travel with the MC or any other party. Especially if he uses a third-party communication with an interim agent that is not directly associated with the the organization(s).
    4) Acting in favor of one's ego is typically the signs of being a bad Evil Overlord and makes for a corny defeat.

Remember, no bet is a good a bet unless you can near guarantee success. Anything less is a wasted endeavor, inviting others to gain from your losses. Unless, of course, that is the intent. A calculated loss, after all, is only in the short term.
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Posted 7/20/14 , edited 7/20/14

BakaNikujaga wrote:

I don't think so. If he's coming at it from a narrative perspective:

    1) A unified organization (especially one that absorbs other branches, if on the government side, or 'acquires' other organizations, gangs), provides additional resources and a level of discipline that cannot be as effectively duplicated otherwise. Further, it allows for rarely witnessed character development of antagonists as they happen rather than post-fact.
    2) A monolithic organization provides a greater challenge for the MC to overcome (if he does not fail prior) and gives an effective "out" for antagonists the MC thought he had defeated (timely rescues and so on).
    3) Acting as a puppeteer means he won't necessarily be caught associating with the enemy organization(s) if he decides to travel with the MC or any other party. Especially if he uses a third-party communication with an interim agent that is not directly associated with the the organization(s).
    4) Acting in favor of one's ego is typically the signs of being a bad Evil Overlord and makes for a corny defeat.

Remember, no bet is a good a bet unless you can near guarantee success. Anything less is a wasted endeavor, inviting others to gain from your losses. Unless, of course, that is the intent. A calculated loss, after all, is only in the short term.


Yeah but remember that the mangaka has full knowledge of the characters prior to being in the story due to the fact that he made them. He knows the strength and weaknesses of significant personnel in the monolithic organization and could work that to his advantage.

First of, the battle between government 'dogs' and gangs is highly secretive because of the threat that lies to the public if they knew the strengths of the gangs.

The mangaka's mission in the story is to expose these people to the public and cause fear amongst civilians and then he would proceed to take out core gang members and government 'dogs' on his own with his immense tactical advantage, soo he becomes the main threat to both groups.

Eventually, he takes out enough core gang members to disassemble the gangs and aims to eradicate members from the governments top security (which happens to be the government's dogs themselves). He also ends up getting close friends of the MC to work with him.

His motivation is from a narrative perspective, domination isn't really the key thing, all he cares about is that it makes for a good story.




I also thought that in the end, the MC's cocky attitude would develop to become annoying and lead to his death whereas the Mangaka would find the key to his happiness which solves the depression he dealt with from other life issues.

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Personally, I'm of the opinion that too much of that holds too high a degree of risk. But, if the mangaka wants to follow The Breaker!, that's up to you.
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peaked my interest
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Maybe you can make the mangaka the MC but have it go well for him at first, then have the manga start to develop without him knowing what will happen. Like some kind of multiverse theory in it.
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