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Show thats proves Anime can be a higher form of art.
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With the symbolism in it i believe, despite the criticism it got because of "fanservice" elements it had", Kill La Kill is actually is actually a higher form of art then just a tv anime show. I believe Kill La Kill is like a well written poem that will induce new feelings everytime you watch it without loss of value.


This is trolling right? You made me laugh pretty hard!! You're good man.. you're good..


You are unaware of everything right... The meanings that Kill La Kill has. Reply no more. I do not have the time for you.
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Re: hamatora season 2

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EF a tale of memories/melodies
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Kyousougiga, Ping Pong the Animation, I guess, although "higher art form" is pretty ambiguous. Every medium has stages of newness, acceptance, and establishment. TV was once considered nothing but "mindless" entertainment.

It's enough to be an art form. Higher is relative anyways, so "higher" than what?
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I would say danganaronpa the animation the deaths in this anime were something new and thrilling to me.It changes from its regular art to its superior art when its the person time for death.The plot of this anime was a higher form of art to begin with.More than a dozen children are trapped in a school to get out of this school they have to commit a murder without being caught.Little did they know that there memories got erased and they use to be friends before the apocalypse crazy stuff.
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That movie with the guy who has a foot fetish.
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Des85 wrote:That movie with the guy who has a foot fetish.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
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I would say danganaronpa the animation the deaths in this anime were something new and thrilling to me.It changes from its regular art to its superior art when its the person time for death.The plot of this anime was a higher form of art to begin with.More than a dozen children are trapped in a school to get out of this school they have to commit a murder without being caught.Little did they know that

Glad I don't care about spoilers from that series.
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Anything by Satoshi Kon
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this thread is a higher form of art of getting to-watch recommendations
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Des85 wrote:That movie with the guy who has a foot fetish.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?


Lol what?
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Des85 wrote:That movie with the guy who has a foot fetish.
asharka wrote:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
Des85 wrote:Lol what?
Well, if I must...

What is the name of the ninja clan that Shredder employs to fight the turtles?
Posted 7/22/14
Wandering Son.
Barely any media at all touches on transgenderism. Not only does Wandering Son treat its characters respectfully, it is, in my opinion, the only media to date that actually captures transgenderism in the correct way. I like that the manga/anime's main characters are in middle school and going through puberty because typically that seems to be when most transgender people notice something. It also has a pretty decent mix of romance and other related drama, it's a masterpiece in my opinion.

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Death Note, Psycho-Pass, Madoka Magica, the Monogatari Series, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Wolf's Rain, and Darker than Black.

If No. 6 had been a perfect adaption of the light novels I would include it because it has an excellent setting and the way it handles its representation of a homosexual couple as something that is just normal and the two boys happen to be in love with each other is perfect, but the anime adaption was pretty watered down and left out some things, so I dunno. It still has one of the best representation for a homosexual couple I've ever seen in anime though.
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Really like your explanations and pretty much agree with what you said about art. If you read any interview of an artist, whether it be painter, actor, writer, director, or animator, what they speak of is not the end result, but the process. Art is a process created to put forth a message and illicit a response from others. Whether that response is emotional, intellectual, philosophical, political, or even if the purpose is to illicit the response of no response ( I know sounds stupid), it is the process and response that is art and not the artifact created by this response. That is why I love your reasoning for what you believed as art and why.

Also on a side note, the term High Art, in my opinion, is mostly a bullshit word made up by art critics who either were never artist or were failed artist, because of the very fact that they did not understand art is not an artifact. High art is just some traditionalist assholes saying that this is art, because I can sell it for a million dollars, because really all high art is, is someone asking for lots of money at an auction house.

Has for my answer to what I would show someone to show them anime is art, I would say Monster. The philosophical questions it brings up about evil, about a persons responsibility for their actions both biological and non biological, the concept of family and the concept of non-existence as the perfect suicide, are all messages that the anime puts forward and makes us think about.

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Really like your explanations and pretty much agree with what you said about art. If you read any interview of an artist, whether it be painter, actor, writer, director, or animator, what they speak of is not the end result, but the process. Art is a process created to put forth a message and illicit a response from others. Whether that response is emotional, intellectual, philosophical, political, or even if the purpose is to illicit the response of no response ( I know sounds stupid), it is the process and response that is art and not the artifact created by this response. That is why I love your reasoning for what you believed as art and why.

Also on a side note, the term High Art, in my opinion, is mostly a bullshit word made up by art critics who either were never artist or were failed artist, because of the very fact that they did not understand art is not an artifact. High art is just some traditionalist assholes saying that this is art, because I can sell it for a million dollars, because really all high art is, is someone asking for lots of money at an auction house.

Has for my answer to what I would show someone to show them anime is art, I would say Monster. The philosophical questions it brings up about evil, about a persons responsibility for their actions both biological and non biological, the concept of family and the concept of non-existence as the perfect suicide, are all messages that the anime puts forward and makes us think about.



Although I was already sort of feeling this way before I read it, I have to admit that a lot of my current thoughts on the subject come from Dewey's Art As Experience, one of the best philosophic treatments of Aesthetics I've seen. Although this is an oversimplification, a big part of Dewey's ideas is a bit of contempt for the way society looks at stuff in museums and says "this is art," and things like graffiti are just kids playing around. All in all, what makes something art or artistic depends upon a mode of thought, and since thought varies with the subject, ultimately what art "is" depends upon how you think about it. Naturally then, it means that the real "artist" so to speak, is the audience, who is creatively putting together the "work." It follows from this that aesthetic value can be found in anything, provided the viewer is in the correct mindset. So, by only treating stuff in museums and art shows as "art," the "High Art" crowd is necessarily missing out on a valuable artistic experience -- namely, life itself.

I mention this, because it's ultimately how I interpret things when artists talk about "the process." Ultimately, the best pieces of art are the one's that give the audience a sense that they are creating the art as much as the artist is. "The Process," as you put it, is probably exactly that. Anyway, I mainly just wanted to use this chance to plug a book I quite like, and maybe get some others to consider an interesting viewpoint on art (I guess I flatter myself that I think my viewpoints are interesting, but that's a topic for another day).

At any rate, although I'd agree with you that "High Art" is a bullshit term, I sort of also disagree with the popular conception that those using this bullshit are only looking at expensive pieces as "art." While "High Art" is bullshit, the things described by "High Art" generally do deserve high praise. There's a reason the pieces are so expensive, and they rightfully ought (generally) to be revered. Doing so at the cost of seeing other works as less valuable is my main issue. Stuff in museums and art shows are usually there because they are valuable as art, but we shouldn't just see them as art, and we shouldn't value them less because some people have inserted some bullshit into the mix. "High Art" isn't bad, so to speak, but simply making the distinction of "High Art" is a problem -- if that makes sense. The term might be bullshit, but I don't think the stuff that the bullshit refers to is, of itself, bullshit. I'm not sure if there was any of that thought process in your reply, but I just wanted to sort of make sure we were on the same page (and, like a said, plug a book).
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