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Watch Tsukihime or Kara no Kyokai. They're just better than any of the fate/* titles.





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http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fate_series

That lists I believe all the Visual Novels, Anime adaptations, manga, and movies associated to the Fate series.


Thanks I plan on watching it all and reading it all.



That's dedication! Type/moon has put out a LOT of stuff over the years (for how small they are) so you're in for some work.
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derrick_1991 wrote:


windsagio wrote:

Watch Tsukihime or Kara no Kyokai. They're just better than any of the fate/* titles.





Stonewolfe wrote:

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fate_series

That lists I believe all the Visual Novels, Anime adaptations, manga, and movies associated to the Fate series.


Thanks I plan on watching it all and reading it all.



What is that guy talking about; there is no Tsukihime anime *cocks gun*.

If your going to get into the Fate series I would recommend starting with the F/SN visual novel if you want to really commit (it starts slow and is pretty long). The VN is split into three different routes (alternate tellings of the same story essentially) and the order to read these is the Fate route (the idealistic route) first, followed by the Unlimited Blade Works route (the deconstruction route) and finish with the Heaven's Feel route (the route of personal desire). I do not recommend either of the Deen adaptations as while they are not outright terrible or even bad really they just they utterly failed to capture what was so great about the original. Hopefully Ufotable has more success. The manga is somehow worse than the anime as it tried to collide two of the routes together with no real cohesion.

Afterwards I would get into Fate/Zero which was originally a light novel. The anime adaptation is damn good, so even if a scene or two got removed (one removal particularly annoys me) you'll have no problem with it.

Then I would read the Tsukihime VN or Kara no Kyoukai. Kara no Kyoukai (originally a light novel) got adapted by the same company as Fate/Zero so its high quality (although I personally believe it to be the weakest Type-Moon series). Tsukihime hasn't been touched by an adaptation though... quite surprising really, many people consider it one of the greatest visual novels ever made *breathes angrily*.
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Wow I checked the wiki its a whole lot, I'm going to enjoy exploring all this.
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JadeAmberTwins wrote:


derrick_1991 wrote:


windsagio wrote:

Watch Tsukihime or Kara no Kyokai. They're just better than any of the fate/* titles.





Stonewolfe wrote:

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fate_series

That lists I believe all the Visual Novels, Anime adaptations, manga, and movies associated to the Fate series.


Thanks I plan on watching it all and reading it all.



What is that guy talking about; there is no Tsukihime anime *cocks gun*.

If your going to get into the Fate series I would recommend starting with the F/SN visual novel if you want to really commit (it starts slow and is pretty long). The VN is split into three different routes (alternate tellings of the same story essentially) and the order to read these is the Fate route (the idealistic route) first, followed by the Unlimited Blade Works route (the deconstruction route) and finish with the Heaven's Feel route (the route of personal desire). I do not recommend either of the Deen adaptations as while they are not outright terrible or even bad really they just they utterly failed to capture what was so great about the original. Hopefully Ufotable has more success. The manga is somehow worse than the anime as it tried to collide two of the routes together with no real cohesion.

Afterwards I would get into Fate/Zero which was originally a light novel. The anime adaptation is damn good, so even if a scene or two got removed (one removal particularly annoys me) you'll have no problem with it.

Then I would read the Tsukihime VN or Kara no Kyoukai. Kara no Kyoukai (originally a light novel) got adapted by the same company as Fate/Zero so its high quality (although I personally believe it to be the weakest Type-Moon series). Tsukihime hasn't been touched by an adaptation though... quite surprising really, many people consider it one of the greatest visual novels ever made *breathes angrily*.


I didn't know Tsukihime got such hate, I find Fate terminally dull, and found Tsuki enjoyable if a little mopey ><
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I didn't know Tsukihime got such hate, I find Fate terminally dull, and found Tsuki enjoyable if a little mopey ><


Shingetsusan Tsukihime is without a doubt the most hated anime adaptation period. It is the only anime that I can recollect that has half the fanbase of the original determined to deny that it even exists. The characters are cardboard cutout versions of themselves, the plot is abridged and the overall 'charm' of the original was not even remotely conveyed (I use 'charm' in the sense of what attracted people to it, not in the sense that it is usually associated. Cause I don't think you can use the word charming to describe a series where you follow a mentally unstable young man who attempts rape multiple times). It is the textbook case for 'bad adaptation'.
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I didn't know Tsukihime got such hate, I find Fate terminally dull, and found Tsuki enjoyable if a little mopey ><


Shingetsusan Tsukihime is without a doubt the most hated anime adaptation period. It is the only anime that I can recollect that has half the fanbase of the original determined to deny that it even exists. The characters are cardboard cutout versions of themselves, the plot is abridged and the overall 'charm' of the original was not even remotely conveyed (I use 'charm' in the sense of what attracted people to it, not in the sense that it is usually associated. Cause I don't think you can use the word charming to describe a series where you follow a mentally unstable young man who attempts rape multiple times). It is the textbook case for 'bad adaptation'.


I'd describe it as making a purse out of a sow's ear, but that's hilarious to me.
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I would recommend reading through the Fate/Stay Night Visual novel first or after you watch Fate/Zero. It has its benefits if you watch/read them vice versa. You could watch the 12 minute trailer thing on Fate/Prototype which is basically the basis of the Fate series. Fate/hollow ataraxia is the sequel to Fate/Stay Night although i don't think it is fully translated yet. There are other Fate related things but they aren't really story related in the sense that they are for fun.

Also if you really are going to commit to this finish the Fate/Stay Night VN before you watch the 2014 Remake and the original adaption.
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I would recommend reading through the Fate/Stay Night Visual novel first or after you watch Fate/Zero. It has its benefits if you watch/read them vice versa. You could watch the 12 minute trailer thing on Fate/Prototype which is basically the basis of the Fate series. Fate/hollow ataraxia is the sequel to Fate/Stay Night although i don't think it is fully translated yet. There are other Fate related things but they aren't really story related in the sense that they are for fun.

Also if you really are going to commit to this finish the Fate/Stay Night VN before you watch the 2014 Remake and the original adaption.


So Could I just download the Fate/Stay Night VN and start from their for my first stop.
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fate/prototype saber is actually king arthur or a dude?
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derrick_1991 wrote:


Pearsauces wrote:

I would recommend reading through the Fate/Stay Night Visual novel first or after you watch Fate/Zero. It has its benefits if you watch/read them vice versa. You could watch the 12 minute trailer thing on Fate/Prototype which is basically the basis of the Fate series. Fate/hollow ataraxia is the sequel to Fate/Stay Night although i don't think it is fully translated yet. There are other Fate related things but they aren't really story related in the sense that they are for fun.

Also if you really are going to commit to this finish the Fate/Stay Night VN before you watch the 2014 Remake and the original adaption.


So Could I just download the Fate/Stay Night VN and start from their for my first stop.


I would highly recommend starting with the Fate/Stay Night VN as far as Type Moon's works go. However, it is exceptionally long (in terms of raw word count, its about the length of the Lord of the Rings trilogy), and it is also quite dense.

One thing to note: most of Nasu's works (Tsukihime, F/SN, Garden of Sinners) are extremely slow to start. His writing style is very heavy on world-building, so the plot doesn't really develop until a long ways into the story. Most fans would agree that it is worth it in the end, but it is a caveat that is worth considering. I would say that, if you decide to read Fate/Stay Night, you have to commit to it. It doesn't really pick up until...about 10-12 hours in, at least (depending on reading speed). After that point, I tore through it and absolutely loved it.

If you're a slow reader, or if you want something more immediately engaging, Fate/Zero is a good choice. I find it hard to pick which is a better starting point; Fate/Zero has a much stronger start, but (by nature of being a prequel) spoils some of the best moments of Fate/Stay Night if you watch it first, so F/SN winds up losing some of its impact.

Tsukihime is pretty good, though you can definitely feel that its an earlier work. It starts even slower than F/SN, and doesn't really have as satisfying a conclusion.

Also, it should be noted that, as you probably know, most of the original VNs do contain H scenes in them; they aren't exactly "good", and you can tell they were shoehorned in because "that's what fans expect out of visual novels", but they are there, nonetheless.

(side bit of trivia: Nasu's original story treatment for Fate/Stay Night involved a female lead, but the other people from Type Moon were against it. At least so goes the legend; I don't 100% know that for certain.)
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derrick_1991 wrote:


Pearsauces wrote:

I would recommend reading through the Fate/Stay Night Visual novel first or after you watch Fate/Zero. It has its benefits if you watch/read them vice versa. You could watch the 12 minute trailer thing on Fate/Prototype which is basically the basis of the Fate series. Fate/hollow ataraxia is the sequel to Fate/Stay Night although i don't think it is fully translated yet. There are other Fate related things but they aren't really story related in the sense that they are for fun.

Also if you really are going to commit to this finish the Fate/Stay Night VN before you watch the 2014 Remake and the original adaption.


So Could I just download the Fate/Stay Night VN and start from their for my first stop.


I would highly recommend starting with the Fate/Stay Night VN as far as Type Moon's works go. However, it is exceptionally long (in terms of raw word count, its about the length of the Lord of the Rings trilogy), and it is also quite dense.

One thing to note: most of Nasu's works (Tsukihime, F/SN, Garden of Sinners) are extremely slow to start. His writing style is very heavy on world-building, so the plot doesn't really develop until a long ways into the story. Most fans would agree that it is worth it in the end, but it is a caveat that is worth considering. I would say that, if you decide to read Fate/Stay Night, you have to commit to it. It doesn't really pick up until...about 10-12 hours in, at least (depending on reading speed). After that point, I tore through it and absolutely loved it.

If you're a slow reader, or if you want something more immediately engaging, Fate/Zero is a good choice. I find it hard to pick which is a better starting point; Fate/Zero has a much stronger start, but (by nature of being a prequel) spoils some of the best moments of Fate/Stay Night if you watch it first, so F/SN winds up losing some of its impact.

Tsukihime is pretty good, though you can definitely feel that its an earlier work. It starts even slower than F/SN, and doesn't really have as satisfying a conclusion.

Also, it should be noted that, as you probably know, most of the original VNs do contain H scenes in them; they aren't exactly "good", and you can tell they were shoehorned in because "that's what fans expect out of visual novels", but they are there, nonetheless.

(side bit of trivia: Nasu's original story treatment for Fate/Stay Night involved a female lead, but the other people from Type Moon were against it. At least so goes the legend; I don't 100% know that for certain.)


Did not know about h scenes, but i've seen worse as long as the story is good. I'm gonna start with the light novel though I hear its for the pc so i'm gonna see where i can download.. I plan to watch Kara no Kyoukai to I saw some movie clips and it looked very impressive.

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derrick_1991 wrote:


Pearsauces wrote:

I would recommend reading through the Fate/Stay Night Visual novel first or after you watch Fate/Zero. It has its benefits if you watch/read them vice versa. You could watch the 12 minute trailer thing on Fate/Prototype which is basically the basis of the Fate series. Fate/hollow ataraxia is the sequel to Fate/Stay Night although i don't think it is fully translated yet. There are other Fate related things but they aren't really story related in the sense that they are for fun.

Also if you really are going to commit to this finish the Fate/Stay Night VN before you watch the 2014 Remake and the original adaption.


So Could I just download the Fate/Stay Night VN and start from their for my first stop.





I mean the best experience would probably be starting and finishing the Fate/Stay Night VN.

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derrick_1991 wrote:


Pearsauces wrote:

I would recommend reading through the Fate/Stay Night Visual novel first or after you watch Fate/Zero. It has its benefits if you watch/read them vice versa. You could watch the 12 minute trailer thing on Fate/Prototype which is basically the basis of the Fate series. Fate/hollow ataraxia is the sequel to Fate/Stay Night although i don't think it is fully translated yet. There are other Fate related things but they aren't really story related in the sense that they are for fun.

Also if you really are going to commit to this finish the Fate/Stay Night VN before you watch the 2014 Remake and the original adaption.


So Could I just download the Fate/Stay Night VN and start from their for my first stop.





I mean the best experience would probably be starting and finishing the Fate/Stay Night VN.



I'm actually looking for a download now, it's so many versions of it. From what i'm seeing i need an english patch shouldn't be hard to find
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derrick_1991 wrote:

Did not know about h scenes, but i've seen worse as long as the story is good. I'm gonna start with the light novel though I hear its for the pc so i'm gonna see where i can download.. I plan to watch Kara no Kyoukai to I saw some movie clips and it looked very impressive.



As far as the H scenes go...well, there's 7 total, mostly in the last route. None are that long, and they're pretty vanilla; besides which, the story is about 80+ hours long for an average reader, and the sex scenes account for about 1 hour of that time. I don't really see them as a deal-breaker unless sex really bothers you.

I'll also mention that the translation is quite good from a readability standpoint, though I'm not nearly equipped well enough to vouch for its accuracy.

Also, assuming one wished to acquire it legitimately, there's a really nice boxed set containing F/SN and hollow ataraxia, along with some a nice artbook. It is (unsurprisingly) fairly expensive, but it does look awfully nice.
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