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Teachers should be able to beat students...with a stick or a paddle or some kind of .
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Posted 7/23/14 , edited 7/23/14
This should not only apply to students of high school and primary school but uni students, too.
No trial necessary.
Bonus points for legal students.

This was a topic circulating the news this past two weeks in a country that doesn't award corporal punishment to actual criminals of any age from juvenile to senile that have been trialled and found guilty for any crime from theft to mass murder.

Read more here;
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/teachers-must-be-role-models-8211-and-using-violence-does-not-display-mature-responsibility-20140716-zto7l.html

political video here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgoCrU2YVgc

What are your thoughts on this?
Does your country have corporal punishment for students?
If not, should it start?
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Posted 7/23/14 , edited 7/23/14
Your penchant for hyperbole continues to amuse, sir knight.

While I find that corporal punishment is best avoided whenever possible, and further that such is possible more often than not, it is at times a necessary addition to a complete list of disciplinary options. Or, to put it more bluntly, sometimes a whack to the backside is the only thing that kid's going to understand.
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Posted 7/24/14
The main argument against corporal punishment are that violence only teaches the child the reward-punishment system, but does not in any way encourage the child to mature intellectually. Furthermore, placing violence in the hands of teachers makes the potential for abuse even stronger (because relying on violence as a way to relieve stress feels too good!). To rely only on the use of violence would teach children that (1) if they mess up, they are liable to be physically harmed and (2) once they grow up, they'll be allowed to hurt other people justifiably.

My own view is that I'd like to see a system that implements corporal punishment successfully. What I suspect is that it would not leave student discipline at mere punishment, but include a way to have the student seriously reflect on his actions, and help the student develop ways to avoid future incidences. Corporal punishment could work I suppose (can't cite any examples yet), but it can't be the only means of discipline. I think there is a danger in taking a tool (a means) and making it the default solution for every problem encountered. Using violence to me ultimately seems like setting the expectation that the child can rise no further than the status of an animal. I don't think that's the kind of view that any teacher should be having. I certainly wouldn't send my children to a school where such views were commonplace.
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Posted 7/25/14
No one should be entitled to touch children like that unless it's the parents....but even that is a little sketchy. No matter how bratty they might be or how much you want to punch them in the face and swing them around a little, students should not be beaten by teachers.
Posted 7/26/14
a lot of teachers are suspected pedophiles according to the laws of nature...lol. mustn't let them enjoy beating kids xD
Posted 7/26/14
No.

Adults who can't control/handle kids shouldn't be working with them in the first place.

The same goes for parents; I really hate parents who can't control their kids, or spoil them rotten or treat them like a vase. It's fucking disgusting. They grow up to be arrogant annoying people of society.

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Posted 7/26/14 , edited 7/26/14
A lot of kids these days have no home training. All the kids that act out would also be the first to buckle if you could beat their ass. That said I think all classrooms need to be monitored all the time. That way when a teacher kicks a kid out of class and sends them to the office you can show their parents how their kid acts in class. If the parent fails to come into a meeting and sort it out, or says their kid isn't doing anything wrong, expel them for having dumbasses for parents, or in this day and age, parent.
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I have mixed feelings on this. We don't want our children being abused, but because of political correctness we also live in a world where disciplining our children is now seen as child abuse by society. As such some punks never learn from their mistakes and get on the right path because they figure out, hey there are usually little to nothing parents or teachers can do to control me.

I have always made the argument about schools and Asia and behavior. If you live in Asia and do something completely out of line your teacher will probably discipline you in some sort of way like that. Then you get home and when your parents find out they probably beat your ass too because you have publicly shamed the family. If your a malicious punk and you learn this at a young age maybe you do get some common sense knocked into you and then start going to school, follow the rules and life a law abiding life.

I have mixed feelings on this, there are so many students that show such little respect where I live because many of them are rich spoiled brats and think they are special and as such can get away with anything maybe it would do some good. I don't know. Whether or not some minor form of political punishment in the school is acceptable who knows, at home if not overused (spanking a really misbehaving child) it might be a way to instill some discipline.
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Posted 8/3/14

GayAsianBoy wrote:

No.

Adults who can't control/handle kids shouldn't be working with them in the first place.

The same goes for parents; I really hate parents who can't control their kids, or spoil them rotten or treat them like a vase. It's fucking disgusting. They grow up to be arrogant annoying people of society.




So many children are so spoiled rotten which I think is a good part of the rise in behavior issues and it is disgusting. I think you have a great point, maybe this is the biggest problem, way above the question is this type of punishment an acceptable way to instill good behavior.
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Posted 8/4/14 , edited 8/4/14
No. There is a reason we no longer paddle in schools. It didn't work. Psychology has come a long way and in turn taught us that modeling and positive reinforcement are more effective manner of creating good behavior in children and the adults they grow up to be. Punishing bad behavior is necessary sometimes, you can't ignore all bad behaviors, but hitting is terrible modeling all it does is teach kids to distrust their teachers and that it is ok to hit others as punishment. There is such a fine line to spaking/paddling/whatever. Spank for every bad behavior and you are quickly nearing abusive. Spank only some of the time and the child realizes that the punishment does not always occur and bad behavior will continue.
The parts of the brain that build connections respond more to postive reinforcement. Just look at addiction. Drugs feel really good. The brain loves them. The behavior is taking the drug, the outcome is feeling good. There is punishment too in the form of withdrawl. Some withdrawl is so awful you would think no one would do drugs because it makes you so sick if you cant get the drug, but people still do. Why? Because the pleasure center is so strong it far outweighs the punishment. I still eat cake even though I know that I could have a heart attack some day and sugar makes your teeth rot. I'll wear clothes that are uncomfortable just because someone told me I look nice in them. Postive reinforcement is really, really strong. I ate a slim jim once and felt really sick afterward, I have eaten slim jims since, so much for my punishment working. So if you spank a kid they may have short term reactions of not doing the bad behavior out of fear of being hit, however if you make a point to reward good behaviors the child will make the connection that the behavior leads to something really awesome and that really awesome thing is waaay better than getting no reward and they will substitute the bad behavior in favor of the one that leads to praise or a treat or whatever the reward is.
That doesn't mean spoil a kid. The reward can be pretty small to elicit a response, that's how powerful those chemical pathways are. Stickers are enough to make a kid giddy. This also doesn't mean that you can rely only on positive reinforcement, some behaviors need to be addressed. However, there are more options than just spanking. Time-outs do work.
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Posted 8/4/14
I remember when I was in elementary school, they did paddle us and tap our hand with rulers. Now some teachers did abuse it. Like if you got an answer wrong, you get the paddle or "Mr. Woody" as we call him. That was one problem that the parents had. Another problem was that it was not working. Bad kids still bad, they saw very little positive effect in doing this. Another reason, whole class get a paddle because of one kid annoying the teacher. Parents didn't like it so they complained about that. Last reason, that now a days, parents don't want anyone else touch their kids besides them, and they don't even give them whoopings. Back in the day it didn't matter. You did somthing you had no businesses doing, you get a spanking no matter from whom it is.

Do I agree with paddling: yes
But people do abuse it and parents these days don't like other people touching their kids.
But at the end of the day, we need it.
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Posted 8/4/14 , edited 8/4/14
I once attended this christian school and they had some kind of paddling system. I don't more than that because I was too sneaky to care.
Actually, I wasn't even christian.
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Posted 8/4/14
I think we should have paddling in school.

When a child misbehaves to the point of needing it, I think the parents should be called in and at least in the future shown video and audio footage of what was going on, and then the Parents should have to assume the position and get paddled.

While initially this may equate to the child that they can misbehave and someone else will take their punishment, ultimately I am pretty sure once they get home the child will discover that they will be punished.

It is all about being top down. If children are the parents responsibility, then they should have to take responsibility for their children. Going further, parents should really be responsible for their children's criminal activities as well.

If you raise a Bieber, you should have to be responsible for the consequence of those actions.
Posted 8/5/14
They could in the old days. Now, you so much as touch a kid and you'll face criminal charges.
Posted 8/6/14 , edited 8/6/14
The students that deserve a beating nowadays usually don't go to class.
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