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Posted 7/27/14 , edited 7/27/14
Okay I can understand the groping part and how it's 100% inappropriate.

However as for the stares; if you're going to go there dressed as a scantily clad warrior from some fan service anime and expect to not get oogled at, then you're about as dumb as the stereotypical blonde portrayed in the media. Not to mention if you come dressed as a character and not want to be noticed or stared at then that kinda defeats the purpose of cos playing overall and you might as well just go there as a normal person. Which is what everybody should be doing in the first place!!
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Lol I been trying to get this point across from the start but there's always going to be that one person that will target you and try to make you seem like a prick for giving your insight on the matter.


Yes, it's people like that which I dislike sharing air with. Although everybody is entitled to their own opinion, some simply are too ignorant to see the cold hard truth. It's a shame really, this world will never progress until things change.
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saksiss wrote:


imbrreezzy wrote:


Lol I been trying to get this point across from the start but there's always going to be that one person that will target you and try to make you seem like a prick for giving your insight on the matter.


Yes, it's people like that which I dislike sharing air with. Although everybody is entitled to their own opinion, some simply are too ignorant to see the cold hard truth. It's a shame really, this world will never progress until things change.


I completely agree
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


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Everybody seems to be just arguing in circles. Things would be a lot easier if both parties would realize something

1. If you wear clothing that shows a lot of skin, EXPECT TO GET LOOKS. You have NO right to complain otherwise.

2. Don't touch what isn't yours without permission. Just because something is on display, doesn't give you the right to touch it. Do you go to a museum and go touching all the priceless pictures?

Before someone says "Duuuh, well sexual harassment is against the law and wearing revealing outfits is not, hur dur hur", anyone who is intellectually competent would know to take into account that they will get leered at depending on the cosplay they do, especially in an environment filled with lonely guys who rarely get that close to females in general.

Bottom line, BOTH parties are to blame, no matter how you look at it. Rather than accepting their own faults as well, they'd rather only focus on the other party's fault. It's a shame that I and other intelligent people are forced to breathe the same air as these fools.


If a grown man doesn't know how to act in public then he shouldn't go out in public at all. you never blame the victim when they are gropped, have unwanted pics taken etc there is no excuse and the same goes for cosplayers. Honestly if these basement dwelling, neck-bearded, man children don't have the common decency of how to act maybe it's best if they stay indoors.


So you're the kind of person who will only blame one side when both are CLEARLY at fault here. You and I will never see eye to eye in this case, but the "victim" should know to take into consideration what they're wearing and to where. In this case, revealing outfits in this environment. It doesn't matter if one is the victim and the other is the offender, both parties did something to contribute and frankly, I don't understand why people refuse to see the truth.


My point still stands wearing revealing outfits from games, anime, comic books is not consent. If a female fan decides to dress up as her favorite character from said series that doesn't give a creep the right to gawk and grope her. I'll say it again if you don't know how to act in public then stay the fuck home.
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There's no need to get defensive about it. If you took more than 2 seconds to read my original comment, I never said that wearing revealing costumes was consent to be groped, I simply said that you're asking to be leered at in such an environment. Anyone with the tiniest bit of common sense knows this, and if you fail to understand that, then I really do wonder about you.

There's no need for me to harp on about this anymore, my point has been made and proven, so I'm off to to occupy my time better. Have a nice day.
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There's no need to get defensive about it. If you took more than 2 seconds to read my original comment, I never said that wearing revealing costumes was consent to be groped, I simply said that you're asking to be leered at in such an environment. Anyone with the tiniest bit of common sense knows this, and if you fail to understand that, then I really do wonder about you.

There's no need for me to harp on about this anymore, my point has been made and proven, so I'm off to to occupy my time better. Have a nice day.



Aye sorry this is my last post I've been having a rough day on yahoo and face book trying to point this out. With people calling the girls sluts and deserving what they get I've been on defense all day.
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What's a leer anyway?
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Sharb8 wrote:

Upskirt cameras is not illegal


I am pretty sure it is in most places, and if it's not the law gets updated when some tries it, like Massachusetts did when a court said it was legal in the state. Even if it's not they can call it sexual harassment.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/upskirt-photos-not-illegal-u-s-court-rules-1.2562395


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Sharb8 wrote:

Upskirt cameras is not illegal


The United States enacted the Video Voyeurism Prevention Act of 2004 to punish those who intentionally capture an individual's private areas without consent, when the person knew the subject had an expectation of privacy.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/upskirt-photos-not-illegal-u-s-court-rules-1.2562395
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If you don't like the response your getting from people, then stop doing what your doing. I really hate people who say they should be allowed to do whatever they want and expect no harmful or negative reactions. If there are two things I have learned in life is that every decision has consequences. And you rarely get to choose what the consequences are going to be. Two you can't control what other people are going to do. We don't live in the Utopian society you seem to think we should be living in, where people respect other people and always choose the right. Which is why you should listen to those people who are harping on taking preventative measures if your going to dress in a highly provocative costume. For example, travel around in groups, stick to places that have higher traffic and are lit well. Report anything that shouldn't be going on to get rid of those people who can't keep their hands to themselves. In other words be proactive, not reactive.

Someone should invent the steampunk full body chastity belt and then make everyone where them underneath their costumes. Problem solved.
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phogan wrote:

I guess, if you don't give a crap about your personal safety. Guess who the pervs are probably going to notice, the girls showing a lot of skin. By the same logic I can drive to East Saint Louis and walk down the street at night, which is also not recommended. It's not my responsibility to avoid getting mugged or shot, but that won't be much comfort if it happens.
I believe that's called denial, and denial doesn't make it go away. Even if it's wrong and shouldn't happen that doesn't mean we shouldn't acknowledge that it does happen and act accordingly.



The only point we disagree on is our definition of 'acting accordingly'. Instead of telling the victims to cover up, get the gropers and upskirt voyeurs banned from the cons. I mean, I'd bet a fair few attendees noticed someone being inappropriate towards a girl in cosplay and simply didn't speak up against it. The correct response is to create an environment where people can go in a skimpy costume to a con and feel safe.

Yes, it is advisable right now for cosplayers to stay in groups and in well lit, well staffed areas. But the reason for that is we as a culture are far too accepting of the bad apples who make those kind of precautions necessary.
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Posted 7/31/14

Sharb8 wrote:


phogan wrote:


Sharb8 wrote:

Upskirt cameras is not illegal


I am pretty sure it is in most places, and if it's not the law gets updated when some tries it, like Massachusetts did when a court said it was legal in the state. Even if it's not they can call it sexual harassment.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/upskirt-photos-not-illegal-u-s-court-rules-1.2562395


RavingDragon wrote:


Sharb8 wrote:

Upskirt cameras is not illegal


The United States enacted the Video Voyeurism Prevention Act of 2004 to punish those who intentionally capture an individual's private areas without consent, when the person knew the subject had an expectation of privacy.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/upskirt-photos-not-illegal-u-s-court-rules-1.2562395


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/justice/massachusetts-upskirt-bill/
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i would say, there is NOTHING wrong with peeking. In many cases the women are wearing close to nothing sexy outfits, so men can't help it. Groping and touching generally is definetely not okay!
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If it is someone that is in their early teens, it would be understandable, but not acceptable. Some Young teens don't understand some morals about sexual harassment. It is a serous issue, but even it is even more disturbing when older men do this. If I was that perverted I would ask to take a picture (Like you would do to someone who is cosplaying as your favorite character) instead of taking pictures without asking, taking panty shots, and/or sexually harassing women.
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