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Phersu wrote:


TheGreatHoneyBun wrote:

Depends how you use your knowledge. If you learned a way to cause an apocalypse, and went ahead and did it, it would be bad knowledge that for generations to come will curse your relatives and spit on your dead body while throwing cow manure onto it and turning it into fertile soil where beautiful flowers will grow known as Phersu of the apocalypse.


My decaying body would help the fertility of the soil too.



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Knowledge is bad when you don't have any respect for it. I see lots of people on the internet these days who have no respect for what they know (much less what they don't know) because they can grab it from Google. They didn't earn it, so they don't have any discipline or even just basic social context when they wield it.

There's also a lot of gibberish that any tool can write. The Dim Mak in your book for example (which is not out of print, by the way).

Don't get me wrong. Explore all you want. I spent a couple years on the occult when I was a teen. Some things stick and some things don't. You'll outgrow them, or simply find better and more accurate versions, and then laugh at the ideas you had even a few years ago. Major trends of continual study will establish themselves on their own. Don't be surprised when it invariably isolates you from your peers who just go to work and come home to bang their significant others and drown themselves in the entertainment industry.

I do however differentiate between factual knowledge and what I would categorize as actual disciplines. You can be more efficient, but you can't skip steps in disciplines or jump all over the place. There IS a reality outside of perception and opinion, after all.



Dim Mak isn't necessarily gibberish. Lots of damage can be caused by using certain weak points on the human body. As for the one I am reading, it is out of print by Paladin Press. You have to buy it from a third person party. Perhaps we are discussing a different book? For some reason, it seems as if you are looking down on either teenagers or book learning. Perhaps I am wrong. Who knows? My emotionally stunted self can't care about it.


Dim Mak and merely striking pressure points (especially clusters) on the body are not the same thing. One is gibberish and the other is not.

I assume the book you're referring to is the one by Bradley Steiner. If it isn't, it doesn't really matter.

I should be more clear. Collecting information for your own edification is never a problem. Whatever floats your boat as far as that goes. Book or google learning and thinking you've learned a discipline is just being a dilettante. Particularly when it pertains to the human body.

I rarely see people differentiate between the two. I didn't on several topics when I was a lot younger, so I figured I'd help you avoid the same mistake. :)

Not only do I encourage what you're doing now, I encourage never stopping it, regardless of what your age is. Just beware of being a dilettante, and of confirmation bias ("scientists" love this second one). Always look for the context of what you're learning. Are you after the knowledge, or just after attention? In a modern society mostly bereft of actual achievements, people are looking for new systems of approval. It usually results in a lot of smug jackasses who want to be respected for their "knowledge." I say pursuing knowledge for its own sake is perfectly fine, especially if nobody even knows about it.

Pig out, I say.

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Hayagriva wrote:

Dim Mak and merely striking pressure points (especially clusters) on the body are not the same thing. One is gibberish and the other is not.

I assume the book you're referring to is the one by Bradley Steiner. If it isn't, it doesn't really matter.

I should be more clear. Collecting information for your own edification is never a problem. Whatever floats your boat as far as that goes. Book or google learning and thinking you've learned a discipline is just being a dilettante. Particularly when it pertains to the human body.

I rarely see people differentiate between the two. I didn't on several topics when I was a lot younger, so I figured I'd help you avoid the same mistake. :)

Not only do I encourage what you're doing now, I encourage never stopping it, regardless of what your age is. Just beware of being a dilettante, and of confirmation bias ("scientists" love this second one). Always look for the context of what you're learning. Are you after the knowledge, or just after attention? In a modern society mostly bereft of actual achievements, people are looking for new systems of approval. It usually results in a lot of smug jackasses who want to be respected for their "knowledge." I say pursuing knowledge for its own sake is perfectly fine, especially if nobody even knows about it.

Pig out, I say.



Approval? I thought that was for jocks and beauty queens. I just like learning stuff 'cause it's interesting. If it wasn't interesting I wouldn't care about it. You're supposed to collect what interests you, after all. I'm the kind of guy who'll learn and master something merely because it's interesting. I don't care about all that other stuff. That's my philosophy or whatever you want to call it.

Book learning can be useful, though. I learned the stance and how to throw a proper punch while boxing from reading a lot. Of course, I practiced according to the diagrams to get it down right. Same for moving quietly.
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Knowledge is neutral. Although, depending on how that knowledge is applied and used could possibly be viewed as negative. Unless of course, you have no morals, then there is no negative action.
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Knowledge is the ultimate form of power. Is power bad? No. Without power, nothing can be accomplished; good or bad. Acquire as much knowledge and power as you can.
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Phersu wrote:


Hayagriva wrote:

Dim Mak and merely striking pressure points (especially clusters) on the body are not the same thing. One is gibberish and the other is not.

I assume the book you're referring to is the one by Bradley Steiner. If it isn't, it doesn't really matter.

I should be more clear. Collecting information for your own edification is never a problem. Whatever floats your boat as far as that goes. Book or google learning and thinking you've learned a discipline is just being a dilettante. Particularly when it pertains to the human body.

I rarely see people differentiate between the two. I didn't on several topics when I was a lot younger, so I figured I'd help you avoid the same mistake. :)

Not only do I encourage what you're doing now, I encourage never stopping it, regardless of what your age is. Just beware of being a dilettante, and of confirmation bias ("scientists" love this second one). Always look for the context of what you're learning. Are you after the knowledge, or just after attention? In a modern society mostly bereft of actual achievements, people are looking for new systems of approval. It usually results in a lot of smug jackasses who want to be respected for their "knowledge." I say pursuing knowledge for its own sake is perfectly fine, especially if nobody even knows about it.

Pig out, I say.



Approval? I thought that was for jocks and beauty queens. I just like learning stuff 'cause it's interesting. If it wasn't interesting I wouldn't care about it. You're supposed to collect what interests you, after all. I'm the kind of guy who'll learn and master something merely because it's interesting. I don't care about all that other stuff. That's my philosophy or whatever you want to call it.


Why tell people you have a book like that if you didn't want to sound impressive? You could have just stated the question of learning by itself and no one would have been the wiser. You don't learn more by sharing the fact, nor does it enlighten anyone else. So, why? You're not learning purely for learning's sake, you just proved it.

It slips under the radar, it really does. No sense in feeling bad about it. Especially when literally everyone you meet is going to be the same way. Most people learn just so they can brag. They want respect. Simple as that. Everything else you just said is spot-on. The only flaw perhaps is not knowing that little addendum attached to why you really learn things.

It's not something that has to change. In fact, without specific training, it can't. It won't affect your career, job, relationships with people, or really much of anything. Just another fact floating around out there.
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Why tell people you have a book like that if you didn't want to sound impressive? You could have just stated the question of learning by itself and no one would have been the wiser. You don't learn more by sharing the fact, nor does it enlighten anyone else. So, why? You're not learning purely for learning's sake, you just proved it.

It slips under the radar, it really does. No sense in feeling bad about it. Especially when literally everyone you meet is going to be the same way. Most people learn just so they can brag. They want respect. Simple as that. Everything else you just said is spot-on. The only flaw perhaps is not knowing that little addendum attached to why you really learn things.

It's not something that has to change. In fact, without specific training, it can't. It won't affect your career, job, relationships with people, or really much of anything. Just another fact floating around out there.



Or I was referencing what exactly pushed me to this question.
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Phersu wrote:


Hayagriva wrote:

Why tell people you have a book like that if you didn't want to sound impressive? You could have just stated the question of learning by itself and no one would have been the wiser. You don't learn more by sharing the fact, nor does it enlighten anyone else. So, why? You're not learning purely for learning's sake, you just proved it.

It slips under the radar, it really does. No sense in feeling bad about it. Especially when literally everyone you meet is going to be the same way. Most people learn just so they can brag. They want respect. Simple as that. Everything else you just said is spot-on. The only flaw perhaps is not knowing that little addendum attached to why you really learn things.

It's not something that has to change. In fact, without specific training, it can't. It won't affect your career, job, relationships with people, or really much of anything. Just another fact floating around out there.



Or I was referencing what exactly pushed me to this question.


You could have done that without the reference. Or you could have used an impersonal example. Or you could have referenced a book you had seen, god knows there are enough of those books on Amazon. You could have referenced anybody who knows anything dangerous but doesn't act on it. Sorry, there's just no escaping it. You can terminate the line of thought if you like. It's not like it has any value to you unless you're a self-discipline junkie. I pointed it out only because you said you liked collecting information.
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Hayagriva wrote:

You could have done that without the reference. Or you could have used an impersonal example. Or you could have referenced a book you had seen, god knows there are enough of those books on Amazon. You could have referenced anybody who knows anything dangerous but doesn't act on it. Sorry, there's just no escaping it. You can terminate the line of thought if you like. It's not like it has any value to you unless you're a self-discipline junkie. I pointed it out only because you said you liked collecting information.


Or maybe I wanted to share it, since I found it interesting. When you like something, you want to share it with other people and have them like it too.

Acknowledge that your statement is not an absolute, and it is possible that you are assuming something that is wrong. Also? Stop assuming. It makes a butt out of you, and a butt out of me.
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...Knowledge. You shall find this. Knowledge will corrupt, it will destroy, it will consume.
They seek meaning, shelter in knowledge; they will not find it." - Augur of Dunlain, College of Winterhold in Skyrim

Ignorance is bliss; too much of anything is a bad thing; absolute power corrupts absolutely
tthree well known idioms(though I think the third one is a famous quote)

I'm all about knowledge that is useful to me, if it's not, I don't care enough. Merely a waste of time.

So knowledge is bad, if its useless.
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pandrasb wrote:

...Knowledge. You shall find this. Knowledge will corrupt, it will destroy, it will consume.
They seek meaning, shelter in knowledge; they will not find it." - Augur of Dunlain, College of Winterhold in Skyrim

Ignorance is bliss; too much of anything is a bad thing; absolute power corrupts absolutely
tthree well known idioms(though I think the third one is a famous quote)

I'm all about knowledge that is useful to me, if it's not, I don't care enough. Merely a waste of time.

So knowledge is bad, if its useless.


Corrupt me absolutely, baby!
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Phersu wrote:


pandrasb wrote:

...Knowledge. You shall find this. Knowledge will corrupt, it will destroy, it will consume.
They seek meaning, shelter in knowledge; they will not find it." - Augur of Dunlain, College of Winterhold in Skyrim

Ignorance is bliss; too much of anything is a bad thing; absolute power corrupts absolutely
tthree well known idioms(though I think the third one is a famous quote)

I'm all about knowledge that is useful to me, if it's not, I don't care enough. Merely a waste of time.

So knowledge is bad, if its useless.


Corrupt me absolutely, baby!


kk, first we need to find an alien tentacle monster like thing, kinda like Hermaeus Mora
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kk, first we need to find an alien tentacle monster like thing, kinda like Hermaeus Mora


I'm no alien, but I can turn into a tentacle monster.
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Phersu wrote:


Hayagriva wrote:

You could have done that without the reference. Or you could have used an impersonal example. Or you could have referenced a book you had seen, god knows there are enough of those books on Amazon. You could have referenced anybody who knows anything dangerous but doesn't act on it. Sorry, there's just no escaping it. You can terminate the line of thought if you like. It's not like it has any value to you unless you're a self-discipline junkie. I pointed it out only because you said you liked collecting information.


Or maybe I wanted to share it, since I found it interesting. When you like something, you want to share it with other people and have them like it too.

Acknowledge that you're statement is not an absolute, and it is possible that you are assuming something that is wrong. Also? Stop assuming. It makes a butt out of you, and a butt out of me.


You just basically said you want to learn in order to share. That's admirable, but I've never seen you share much of anything. Just probe with questions to get information as a consensus and the occasional pointless bragging, like in this thread.

There is a possibility of course that you really think a book on assassinating people (even if it was well-written 30 years ago) is something people will jump on as interesting. If that's the case, well, you might want to examine the context of your sharing. However I find it far, far more likely that you merely wanted to sound badass. If you would admit to that, the discussion between you and I would be over already.

It's not my fault you keep contradicting yourself, all I've stated are facts. I don't mean to pick on you, I have no problem with you at all. I just wish you'd just accept your own ego and quit digging the hole deeper. It gets in the way of your stated goals. I can't respect you for any intelligence you may actually have if you can't even acknowledge such a simple and obvious thing.

But... I'll let it rest. You can keep whatever story you prefer. Even if I was completely correct, it's what you would do anyway.
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Hayagriva wrote:

You just basically said you want to learn in order to share. That's admirable, but I've never seen you share much of anything. Just probe with questions to get information as a consensus and the occasional pointless bragging, like in this thread.

There is a possibility of course that you really think a book on assassinating people (even if it was well-written 30 years ago) is something people will jump on as interesting. If that's the case, well, you might want to examine the context of your sharing. However I find it far, far more likely that you merely wanted to sound badass. If you would admit to that, the discussion between you and I would be over already.

It's not my fault you keep contradicting yourself, all I've stated are facts. I don't mean to pick on you, I have no problem with you at all. I just wish you'd just accept your own ego and quit digging the hole deeper. It gets in the way of your stated goals. I can't respect you for any intelligence you may actually have if you can't even acknowledge such a simple and obvious thing.

But... I'll let it rest. You can keep whatever story you prefer. Even if I was completely correct, it's what you would do anyway.


Assumptions. Don't let it happen to you.

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reminds me of an anime or a movie I watched...


"The first time [you kill a person] is always the hardest, it gets easier with the following kills... until you start feeling nothing". I can't remember, for the life of me, where this quote comes from... but it stuck with me
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