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Posted 2/8/08 , edited 4/18/08

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That's one matter of opinion, on how low my IQ is. I may not have taken very many geography courses in my life, but I doubt you have either. As for facts, The person on the previous page said it best. Facts change. People change. What the world finds true today may be wrong tomorrow. Personally, I think that God formed the mountains with his hands. I just gave an idea as to how it 'could' have happened.

It is interesting how you've let the points on the best shape of a blood cell, transition links and mutations die. You point out a single flaw in my explanation when your explanation has many more flaws.

Alright, let's calm down before we invite the Mod to either ban us or stop the debate.

Probability is against evolution as well. It is far more likely for God to have made the earth than for evolution to have happened. The eye will not work without being fully developed. If there was one single flaw it would not work. How does an animal survive for the millions of years it takes to evolve an eye? What are the chances it will ever be evolved? The answer, non-existant especially while all animals were trying to evolve the eye as well. Mutations are completely random. There is a zero percent chance that a perfect human eye would be made through evolution, out of the countless mutations that could possibly occur, the overwhelming majority of them detramental. It was designed, by God. Look at all complex organisms. If they have a single flaw, they won't work properly, if they would work at all. God designed fully functioning systems for each creature to use properly.

If anyone wants to jump in, for either side, that would be fine.


For Christs sake read up on your facts before you post, haven't I told you enough times!? And however many geography classes I have taken in my life it is clearly many more than you. You just don't have any idea what you are talking about, AGAIN. Also evolution explains the shape of the blood cell, and everything else if you had the capacity to realise it. Not that I expected anything else from someone who showed their stupidity a long time ago, perhaps I should give up hoping for an intelligent answer from you...
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Posted 2/8/08 , edited 4/18/08
we can argue all we want about creation vs. evolution vs. whatever but the fact is we have no idea. There is evidence through science of evolution in this world, yes, but that is not to say that God did not use evolution as a medium for creation (though I highly doubt the "premordial soup theory"). As to the "7-days" debate, The Bible also says that God works in his own time. therefore those 7 days can be merely metaphorical so that our human brains can try to comprehend it, heck the dinosaurs were around once. Also, when I look at the human anatomy I am 100% confident that we did not "evolve" from a freaking single celled organism or a fish with legs. It would suggest that the earth is much older than it really is. This world is full of beauty and things that are so complex that there is virtually no way that it evolved from somthing as simple as an amoeba.
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Posted 2/8/08 , edited 4/18/08

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I have to go with the Big Bang! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE WORLD TO BE CREATED WITH IN 7 DAYS!!!!! SURE THE BIBLE SAYS SO BUT SCIENCE PROVES MORE THAN THAT! PANGEA PROVES THAT THE WORLD IS OLDER AND SO DOES RODINA (LAND BE FORE PANGEA I DONNO IF I SPELLED IT RIGHT)!


whoa..that doesn't make sense...i mean...the Big Bang was even less than 7 days!..lol^^
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Posted 2/20/08 , edited 4/18/08

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sakurayori wrote:

I have to go with the Big Bang! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE WORLD TO BE CREATED WITH IN 7 DAYS!!!!! SURE THE BIBLE SAYS SO BUT SCIENCE PROVES MORE THAN THAT! PANGEA PROVES THAT THE WORLD IS OLDER AND SO DOES RODINA (LAND BE FORE PANGEA I DONNO IF I SPELLED IT RIGHT)!


whoa..that doesn't make sense...i mean...the Big Bang was even less than 7 days!..lol^^


no it took like 100000000000 years to make it orum like what earth is now. and PLUs earth wasnt created in 7 days. plants didnt come right after earth was made it came about 3.5 billion years later and I know this . THIS IS A FACT
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Posted 2/20/08 , edited 4/18/08

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no it took like 100000000000 years to make it orum like what earth is now. and PLUs earth wasnt created in 7 days. plants didnt come right after earth was made it came about 3.5 billion years later and I know this . THIS IS A FACT


Did you actually see it forming in 'like 1000000000000 years'? I may not know everything about science, but unless an experiment is reenacted and actually produced the same results, verified can you actually prove a hypothesis. Then don't impose the theory on us. We are aware of the different theories. Christianity is faith, not logic.
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no it took like 100000000000 years to make it orum like what earth is now. and PLUs earth wasnt created in 7 days. plants didnt come right after earth was made it came about 3.5 billion years later and I know this . THIS IS A FACT


fact?... huh... You have a very interesting definition of fact methinks.

fact:
- the earth is approx 4.5 billion years old plus or minus about 1%.
- rocks as old as 3.5 billion years have been found
- minerals such as iron have been estimated at 4.57 billion years, give or take

the thing is, no matter what, everything is an estimation because we were not there at the time the earth was created so we know nothing about how it was formed or how old it really is. no matter how much we test of the earth's crust it's guessed that through processes of erosion and crustal recycling the earliest surface material has been destroyed.
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Posted 2/21/08 , edited 4/18/08

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jlo_mei_en wrote:


sakurayori wrote:

I have to go with the Big Bang! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE WORLD TO BE CREATED WITH IN 7 DAYS!!!!! SURE THE BIBLE SAYS SO BUT SCIENCE PROVES MORE THAN THAT! PANGEA PROVES THAT THE WORLD IS OLDER AND SO DOES RODINA (LAND BE FORE PANGEA I DONNO IF I SPELLED IT RIGHT)!


whoa..that doesn't make sense...i mean...the Big Bang was even less than 7 days!..lol^^


Your an idiot. The earth formed over many many years. The big bangs length is not the length of Earths formation.


thanks! i didn't knw that info...well, still won't believe it..( it's so duh)
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Posted 2/21/08 , edited 4/18/08
science concerning the formation of the worlds will never become a fact.. it will all remain theoris and proved hypothesis... everything will be as estimation and until now has the missing link....
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Posted 2/21/08 , edited 4/18/08
Well, if this was a group for intelligent discussion, debate, or anything along those lines I’d encourage this. However, this is a spiritual group and trying to justify and explain God to the world is pointless and flatly counter-productive-as a Christian. As an aspiring intellectual, this is the peak of debate. Although interesting, it doesn’t expand the kingdom of God, and can potentially be harmful. I highly suggest locking this thread.
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Posted 2/21/08 , edited 4/18/08

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sakurayori wrote:

no it took like 100000000000 years to make it orum like what earth is now. and PLUs earth wasnt created in 7 days. plants didnt come right after earth was made it came about 3.5 billion years later and I know this . THIS IS A FACT


Did you actually see it forming in 'like 1000000000000 years'? I may not know everything about science, but unless an experiment is reenacted and actually produced the same results, verified can you actually prove a hypothesis. Then don't impose the theory on us. We are aware of the different theories. Christianity is faith, not logic.


Faith and Logic are diff. it is useless to fight over......."sigh" AND NO I didnt see it forming science PROVES it. When earth was born it was a star RIght ya I know it was. so the magama had to cool and it defitley took MORe than 7 days 4 it too cool. so that proves it even more.
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Posted 2/21/08 , edited 4/18/08

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sakurayori wrote:

no it took like 100000000000 years to make it orum like what earth is now. and PLUs earth wasnt created in 7 days. plants didnt come right after earth was made it came about 3.5 billion years later and I know this . THIS IS A FACT


fact?... huh... You have a very interesting definition of fact methinks.

fact:
- the earth is approx 4.5 billion years old plus or minus about 1%.
- rocks as old as 3.5 billion years have been found
- minerals such as iron have been estimated at 4.57 billion years, give or take

the thing is, no matter what, everything is an estimation because we were not there at the time the earth was created so we know nothing about how it was formed or how old it really is. no matter how much we test of the earth's crust it's guessed that through processes of erosion and crustal recycling the earliest surface material has been destroyed.


what? geez that is a fact! plants cam ABOUt 3.5 bya. ago that is wat I ment
Posted 2/21/08 , edited 4/18/08
Don't worry Seraph, without God, there is no science.
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Posted 2/21/08 , edited 4/18/08

sakurayori wrote:

Faith and Logic are diff.


Exactly what I said in my earlier post.
Posted 2/23/08 , edited 4/18/08

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Don't worry Seraph, without God, there is no science.


Proof please? Other wise you cannot make that statement.
Posted 2/23/08 , edited 4/18/08

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Don't trust science, thats what my Biblical Studies teacher said. God was the creator of heaven and earth. My teacher said that science books that tells us that the Earth was created form processes of erosion and crustal recycling the earliest surface material has been destroyed, and stuff like that is only a tool that Satan is using to make us doubt the Bible. The bible says that the world was created by God's word not scientific reasons


You would listen to your biblical studies teacher unquestionably? Your teacher is (I assume) human and subject to human error. Also just because its written in the bible does not make it true or in fact prove anything. Its just a BOOK. Many Christians don't take it literally. Do you realize just how many lies religious hardliners are willing to tell to get you to follow them? Now this isn't true for all Christians but there are a significant number around. Trying to put something which opposes the bible automatically in line with satan is a very strong indicator that your teacher is just such a person. Take my advice and go and talk to some normal Christians. I'm not asking you to give up on Christianity here but there are many many interpretations you should consider even within Christianity, many of which accept science and other things. Do not listen to your teacher, or more importantly do not listen solely to your teacher but to other opinions too. Extremism is bad in anyones book, don't get into it.
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Posted 2/23/08 , edited 4/18/08
Wow. If Christians don't even believe the Bible, or take it seriously in wanting to learn from it, then they are not even children of God. You can be a Christian in title and never get saved. God confirms it with the manifestation of the fruits of the spirit in you.

Anyway, if you hear Christians talking about yeah science is good, listen to them. Science is also part of the study of God's works. Even if man's science attempts to disprove God's existence, God's science of of a higher level. But if Christians say 'Well, I believe in half the Bible,' or like 'I believe the parts where it was proven', don't bother. The Bible is the Word of God. He himself confirmed it, and wrote it. If you believe in God but not his words, you'll never learn because from his mouth, knowledge and wisdom comes forth. If you need science to confirm the Bible, rather than Bible confirm the word, sorry, but this is screwed up. Would you trust the Lord who loves you more than you do less than you trust man who is selfish?

Stick is right that you should not believe everything that is from a teacher. Rather, test it, ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. The Bible is not meant to be read all in a literal sense. God hides his best truths in there. It takes the best of the righteous to humble himself before the Lord to seek it out. Good truths come by spending time with Him, the Holy Spirit be your guide.

A good quote:

To worship God, we must be focused on the spiritual things of God and it must be founded upon truth. God will never allow you to worship Him and compromise the unchanging truth of His word. Yet there are people who gladly compromise the truth to get a ‘worshipful experience’. If you have to let go of truth, you are not embracing God, but the spirit of deception. There is no way around it. You can’t worship God outside of the truth He has revealed in scripture.
http://www.exchangedlife.com/Sermons/topical/holyspirit/baptism_spirit1.shtml
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