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Is MAG Making the Anime/Manga Distributors shoot Themselves on the Foot
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Sucks for people in countries with terrible distribution laws and lazy scum pirates.
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Fistacon wrote:

Animation studios just need to make their own streaming websites. Problem solved. But knowing Japan they won't make use of in-show advertising, they will have some kind of purchasing model.


Daisuki.net says hi.
Videos are free as well.

Not to mention that bit on service is bs. Steam says hello, yet pirates still exist.


GTCknight wrote:Where am I supposed to go in order to read Tokyo Ghoul (read the raws waiting for the chapters to be translated) or Dorohedoro among many others. The anime issue has been slowly solving itself over the years, but manga and light-novel readers have been forced to read on these online sites for years due to there being no alternative. The other issue that often comes up is the fact that typically when something does make its way over to another country they're way behind which means everyone who would want to buy it has to wait for it to catch-up to them.


You buy them.
Amazon.jp ships internationally. Their page can be set to english. Basically what I'm hearing are excuses.


pandrasb wrote:

If pirates can beat you at translating, you're doing something wrong.


Doesn't seem to realize that pirates are leaking scans before the magazine even reaches the Japanese public, for WSJ at least. The solution is to terminate those employees from the job but I guess you'd probably be saying that that's a form of dictatorship or some other apologetic ****.


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2. Offer products in different formats and forms for a reasonable price.
For example manga in individual chapters at first, and released for purchase the same day as they're run in print serialization (i.e. the day that copy of Shonen Jump/Comic Birz/etc. is available in stores to purchase). Then re-released as an e-book/iBook/etc. later when the tankoubon of those chapters is available to buy in physical stores.


"How can I read my issues of Weekly Shonen Jump?
In the US & Canada, your digital issues of Weekly Shonen Jump can be accessed via internet on your PC, Mac or any internet-enabled device with a web browser. For mobile devices, such as smart phones and tablets, you can access your issues through the VIZ Manga or Weekly Shonen Jump app.

In all territories where the English-language version is available, you can read each issue in the Weekly Shonen Jump app.
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Do we get to keep our issues of Weekly Shonen Jump?
Yes. Weekly Shonen Jump issues, whether purchased as individual issues or through a yearly membership, are yours to keep! They are archived in your VIZ Manga account's MY MANGA library.

Not to mention Japan is completely different than the West in that you don't see everyone walking around with tablets.
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Jencatd wrote:

2. Offer products in different formats and forms for a reasonable price.
For example manga in individual chapters at first, and released for purchase the same day as they're run in print serialization (i.e. the day that copy of Shonen Jump/Comic Birz/etc. is available in stores to purchase). Then re-released as an e-book/iBook/etc. later when the tankoubon of those chapters is available to buy in physical stores.


"How can I read my issues of Weekly Shonen Jump?
In the US & Canada, your digital issues of Weekly Shonen Jump can be accessed via internet on your PC, Mac or any internet-enabled device with a web browser. For mobile devices, such as smart phones and tablets, you can access your issues through the VIZ Manga or Weekly Shonen Jump app.

In all territories where the English-language version is available, you can read each issue in the Weekly Shonen Jump app.
"

Do we get to keep our issues of Weekly Shonen Jump?
Yes. Weekly Shonen Jump issues, whether purchased as individual issues or through a yearly membership, are yours to keep! They are archived in your VIZ Manga account's MY MANGA library.

Not to mention Japan is completely different than the West in that you don't see everyone walking around with tablets.


Whoa, I'm surprised that app is actually available in my country since I'm used to being country-blocked for many things. Thanks for the heads up on that!
Posted 8/1/14
I think it's a complicated issue. you need to understand business/marketing to really understand the reasoning behind it. I mean it costs a lot to make an anime, hiring producers, writers, animators, voice actors/actresses. These things don't come cheap. That's why they want to make profits. and this is done through licensing.

imo, even if a legal streaming website were to offer $1 per month, there will still be piracy, because some people are that cheap and believe that they must get everything for free and never give back to anyone.
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Allow me to ask you this then. When I buy a volume from there will the manga be in english? If not then it's pointless unless I spend years learning Japanese and by then I'll have probably forgotten about them.

Also, not everyone wants to read Shonen. I did a look at all of the manga I read past and present and found that over 90% of the manga I, myself like to read or Seinen, so then do you know of a place where I can read all of the Seinen manga up to date and in english? If the answer is no then you've just proven my point entirely.

I would love to buy them all. That way I could read it and keep it in my shelve for storage and occasionally read them again (like a have for albeit small number of manga), but as far I am aware there is no store for me to go to and buy all of it (in English).
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gjsgfajag wrote:


Fistacon wrote:

Animation studios just need to make their own streaming websites. Problem solved. But knowing Japan they won't make use of in-show advertising, they will have some kind of purchasing model.


Daisuki.net says hi.
Videos are free as well.

Not to mention that bit on service is bs. Steam says hello, yet pirates still exist.



Yes, Crunchyroll also says hi...............

Police and jails exist, yet people still commit crimes. Sunblock exists, yet people still get sun burnt. Life jackets exist, yet people still drown. What is your point?
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GayAsianBoy wrote:

I think it's a complicated issue. you need to understand business/marketing to really understand the reasoning behind it. I mean it costs a lot to make an anime, hiring producers, writers, animators, voice actors/actresses. These things don't come cheap. That's why they want to make profits. and this is done through licensing.

imo, even if a legal streaming website were to offer $1 per month, there will still be piracy, because some people are that cheap and believe that they must get everything for free and never give back to anyone.


Do you know how much profit they would make if they didn't have a streaming website? For every person that is not willing to pay, there are as many that are willing to pay.
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I am sure that other contries could get anime licents if they really try hard enough. CR started from the bottom and its starting to raise too the top
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No personal opinión at the moment,
Crunchyroll seems to be lobbing this idea yet I share this japanese document abaout affected pages.
Crunchyroll role is at Page 25.
PDF format file.
http://www.meti.go.jp/policy/mono_info_service/contents/downloadfiles/140414.pdf
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Posted 8/1/14 , edited 8/1/14

Fistacon wrote:


gjsgfajag wrote:


Fistacon wrote:

Animation studios just need to make their own streaming websites. Problem solved. But knowing Japan they won't make use of in-show advertising, they will have some kind of purchasing model.


Daisuki.net says hi.
Videos are free as well.

Not to mention that bit on service is bs. Steam says hello, yet pirates still exist.



Yes, Crunchyroll also says hi...............

Police and jails exist, yet people still commit crimes. Sunblock exists, yet people still get sun burnt. Life jackets exist, yet people still drown. What is your point?



All of Asia saids Hi

People have been Bootleging VCD and DVD Anime since it was invented and get away with it. If its sold in Pakistan and U.A.E they sell it, If its in China or Hong Kong they sell it. Some countries don't follow International laws or bother to care Its not their laws.in there respected countries.
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Fistacon wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:

I think it's a complicated issue. you need to understand business/marketing to really understand the reasoning behind it. I mean it costs a lot to make an anime, hiring producers, writers, animators, voice actors/actresses. These things don't come cheap. That's why they want to make profits. and this is done through licensing.

imo, even if a legal streaming website were to offer $1 per month, there will still be piracy, because some people are that cheap and believe that they must get everything for free and never give back to anyone.


Do you know how much profit they would make if they didn't have a streaming website? For every person that is not willing to pay, there are as many that are willing to pay.


Wow i didnt know that if i stopped pirating i suddenly could afford to pay $60 for 10 episodes.
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Fistacon wrote:
What is your point?


That you're full of bull when you contradict your own quote source.


Fistacon wrote:
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem, If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable." - Gabe Newell


What is the point of this in your original post?
You seem to think if a service is better than what pirates offer, then piracy would disappear. Steam is that service for PC, yet piracy still exists.

It's not a service problem, it's an entitlement problem. Delusional folks like you will never be satisfied no matter how much progress is made.
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you do know he was quoting something Gabe Newell said
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Posted 8/3/14 , edited 8/3/14

IngramIV wrote:

No personal opinión at the moment,
Crunchyroll seems to be lobbing this idea yet I share this japanese document abaout affected pages.
Crunchyroll role is at Page 25.
PDF format file.
http://www.meti.go.jp/policy/mono_info_service/contents/downloadfiles/140414.pdf


That looks like a description of the current digital distribution market ... you can see the column that is talking about online manga, the one talking about streaming video, the one talking about video downloads, the row that is talking about the US, the row that is talking about China (Tudou, LeTV), the one talking about France (Crunchyroll, wakanim, ADN), etc.

Crunchyroll shows up as one of the legit sources in their "find a legit distributor" site, but they don't filter or flag by country, so it would be a very frustrating site to use for anyone outside of the US, Oz, France or UK.


darkfire9o9 wrote: I am sure that other contries could get anime licences if they really try hard enough. CR started from the bottom and its starting to raise too the top

Countries other than which? Crunchyroll has long since passed being mostly a North American site, since for two seasons now, the simulcasts that are available to some countries but not North America outnumber the simulcasts available in North America alone.

Now, the fact that a series is available somewhere outside the US may not be obvious to people when its blocked in their country, but its still the case that only one series this season was North America only, while three were available in either some parts of Europe or in Latin America but not North America.

Its easy to forget how much progress has been made over the last five years. North and South America and the Caribbean and most of Europe (other than Russia) and the Middle East and North Africa (the region) and South Africa (the country) and Australia and New Zealand all have access to half or more of Crunchyroll's new simulcasts, and 60% or more as many series as the US.

Ironically, Crunchyroll has even wider region access for a lot of their online manga ... but the manga that Crunchyroll has is a much smaller fraction of the total current output of the Japanese manga publishing industry.
Posted 8/3/14
Better horde as much as you can. This organization is going to cleanse the web with its righteous wrath.
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