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Is MAG Making the Anime/Manga Distributors shoot Themselves on the Foot
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With anime there are plenty of legal options. I think for manga and light novels, companies need to have a website where fans can make unofficial translations into languages the company does not wish to spend resources translating and let them leave it online for free or low cost. These companies would can access to a market of people that speak languages that do not have enough speakers to warrant an official translation. Essentially they would host a website, chart a small fee and make ad revenue from people who would otherwise not give them any money and in turn increase marketing on anime merchandise world wide.

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They need to stop the archaic idea of "exclusive" licensing rights and just allow any site that wants to stream a series license it. This would reduce the need for region licensing and would also allow for different services to compete with one another. It would also reduce the need to pay for multiple services because certain distributors would no longer hold exclusive rights to specific series. They would have to compete and provide a better service than the next website that also decided to license the same popular series.

I think a lot of companies are shooting themselves in the foot combating piracy. It's just a waste of time and reduces exposure to certain content. Companies cannot claim they are loosing money by converting pirates into "potential" paying consumers or even by considering some of those pirates as potential lost profit. Potential means just that potential.

If they are considering the pirated content as potential lost profit, they would also have to consider it as potential profit not lost. This is because many of those pirates wouldn't have even considered consumption of said content in the absence of pirating it, let alone the potential of being exposed to the idea of the content in the first place.
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gjsgfajag wrote:


Fistacon wrote:
What is your point?


That you're full of bull when you contradict your own quote source.


Fistacon wrote:
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem, If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable." - Gabe Newell


What is the point of this in your original post?
You seem to think if a service is better than what pirates offer, then piracy would disappear. Steam is that service for PC, yet piracy still exists.

It's not a service problem, it's an entitlement problem. Delusional folks like you will never be satisfied no matter how much progress is made.


You seem to think, that I think piracy will disappear. Read between the lines. Police and jails are a disincentive, yet people still commit crimes. Sunblock counters sunburn, yet people still get sun burnt. Life jackets help prevent drowning, yet people still drown, Nobody ever said piracy will disappear. There will never be a 100% end all method. The goal is to reduce piracy. If the service is good it makes the legal option look more attractive. That's all.

What do you think people were doing before Netflix? Now Netflix has over 50million users. How many of them are ex torrent users?
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Fistacon wrote:

What do you think people were doing before Netflix? Now Netflix has over 50million users. How many of them are ex torrent users?


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Piracy is an inevitability as the internet is an accumulation of information which is available to everyone who owns a computer and has internet access.

Piracy is normally brought about by three things. Ease of access, License restrictions and price.

Ease of access:
Pirated software and media is extremely easy to access, one only needs to boot up his computer in order to go to a pirating site and download what ever it is they are looking for.
Its far easier than walking down to your local anime store and buying some dvd's. It is also alot easier than going online and ordering something and then waiting a month for it to be shipped to you.

People who normally dont have the patience to wait around and or walk down to the store, often op to pirate, as its alot quicker and easier than walking to the store.

License Restrictions:
This plays a bit into the "Ease of access" section of pirating. Many shows are currently not licensed in all regions, which makes it nearly impossible to view online. This brings upon the question of "should i pirate it? or not watch it at all".
I myself fall into this category when i do pirate. This is mostly the fault of outdated licensing laws that prevent the spread of media on a global scale by creating pay walls, that forces the streaming company to pay more money equivalent to the amount of regions they are streaming to. This leaves alot of anime viewers with no legal way to watch said show, if it is not licensed in their region. There is only one way they can view that show, and that is to pirate. (keep in mind, alot of people can not afford 60$+ blu-rays that release nearly a year after the show airs)

Price:
Self explanatory, the price of blu-ray's are extremely high, and many people would rather download something for free than pay out the ass for a DVD.


Pirating WILL NEVER be eliminated no matter how hard any government tries to eliminate it. As long as their are demands to view shows that are unavailable to some consumers, there will always be pirates willing to provide shows for free to other pirates.

Many anime fans, were actually introduced to anime either through illegal streaming sites, or torrents. (The lucky few of us, that were around for toonami back in the day, were introduced that way).
By trying to stop pirating, you are in fact losing more money, as potential customers can not be introduced to your product because of licensing restrictions or pay walls.
You are losing more money, because the government is estimating that all pirates would buy the media legally if they couldn't pirate it (which is not true, as most pirates wouldn't pay for it anyway)

Pirating can never be eliminated; however, it can be slightly remedied by providing globally legal streaming licenses to crunchy-roll and animation, so they can stream internationally with out any restrictions, which would provide more consumers with the ability to obtain a service they previously could not.
There will still be pirates obviously, but the amount of people forced to resort to it, would be lowered.

TLDR:
yes they are, because they are not solving the problem at its root.
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I'm pretty sure at least part of the piracy issue could be solved by making anime/manga more available to all countries. Internet's all where it's at these days. Although many like me enjoy collecting DVDs of the series we love so we can own them and their bonuses (I own all of the Death Note manga and am trying to finish my DVD collection up) they are incredibly expensive and we can't afford them all the time. Likewise there are many others who want to watch the show but will never desire to buy 10 episodes for $60 and that is completely understandable. If more services like Crunchyroll, Netflix, and Hulu were available with a higher selection we, as a community, would pirate less. Does that mean it would stop altogether? No. But it would lessen.

If region locking was put to a stop and anime/manga was made available in all regions on a legal site I am sure most people would pick the legal option over the illegal. Some may choose to subscribe to such services and pay a fee. Others might use the free option and watch ads. I know a lot of people who may not subscribe to CR, but they are willing to sit through ads since it means they're choosing a legal option.

Me and many others would be supremely happy if Crunchyroll were able to stream some shows outside the US, or were able to gain access to older and more popular shows or newer popular shows. For example: Higurashi. Only the first season was ever licensed for distribution in the USA. Because Funimation sucks major bumhole and never advertised the series correctly it didn't sell well. Now it's highly popular but all DVDs are out of print and to own it I'd be buying it second hand for $300+. It wouldn't be helping the industry and I can't afford that much. Essentially the only way I would ever be able to watch it is to pirate. Have I? No, so far my conscience has stopped me and I'm secretly hoping someone like CR or Hulu gets it (ALL of it, NOT just the first season.) But I wouldn't blame someone for doing it because there's literally no other way to get it and we can't support the show's creators anyways.
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