What's Sad Senpai and the Gaijin Kid?
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I'm glad you asked, fellow Crunchyroll members.

I take it you all like anime, but there are some among us who absolutely hates the stuff. Take my friend, Stephen, for example. He got about 8 episodes into Sword Art Online before he called it stupid and gave up. Ditto for Attack on Titan.

Now, I want to help him out. That's why I started up Sad Senpai and the Gaijin Kid - a new weekly "podcast/commentary thing."

Here's the deal - I sit him down every week for 30 minutes to watch one episode of anime with me. During the episode, we talk about anime, narrative, differences in storytelling in the East versus West and much more. We're only three episodes in, but I can promise you that we're going to tackle some doozies.

I would love it if you guys gave it a shot. Download an episode and listen to it while watching the anime episode in question. It's sure to be fun!

Also, don't be afraid to recommend anime for us to watch. I've seen a lot, but I can't say that I've seen it all. It's my job to find things that Stephen might just enjoy.

Check us out here: http://sadsenpai.wordpress.com/
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SAO is definitely not something people will be getting into anime from unless they have a history of playing MMO's, and even then something like .hack or LH might be better.

Would try something like GITS or LoGH ( Pretty long, though).
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I'm probably alone in this, but what got me into anime wasn't shows like AoT, SAO, or anything involving swords, mecha, spaceships, magical girls, or talking blobs like Pokemon. These were my typical conception of anime, because those were the types that get mainstream English-dub syndication, and thus enter public consciousness outside of Japan.

What got me interested was watching an AMV for Nichijou, which made the anime look like nothing I'd ever seen before, in any media. And in my quest to find it, I wound up on Netflix, which didn't have it, but had as its top-ranked anime Fruits Basket. And that, too, was nothing like I'd ever seen before, in any media.

It turned out the world of anime was more than the usual shonen robot wars; what got me most was the storytelling style, reflecting a set of values and social norms that were very different from my own culture's, and thus producing stories where the struggles and conflict were much more personal and internal, but the resolutions no less monumental than saving the galaxy.

If he's not enjoying the types of titles you're showing him, (and OK, I haven't listened to your podcast, so I don't know what you've been watching), maybe try a different genre of anime.
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SAO(first season) was quite good, sad he got bored so early on. Tho kinda happy for him he didn't make it to ALO.

Well, like everyone else is saying, try a different a genre with him. Not everyone likes MMO like stories like SAO, and no everyone likes mainstream shounens like AoT.

(Unimportant note: I personally got into Anime by Mahou Shoujo and other fantasy types, and Romance Anime. Now I'm more into Slice of Life's and Psychological series. Pretty much the seinen demographic. Tho I still enjoy most demographics, depending on the series.)
Posted 8/2/14
Try Hunter x Hunter, if he still can't get into anime, then there's no hope for him...
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^^ Hunter X Hunter would be a much better choice to show someone. Since its pretty much a masterpiece in its own right.
Especially when he gets to the Chimera ant arc. There is no hope for him, if he cannot enjoy HxH
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I'd say if you really want to get him into anime, maybe ask what western stuff he's into, and see if you can find an anime that somewhat fits those specifications. I probably wouldn't recommend either SAO or AOT to get someone into anime. People are going to be put off by the fact one is about magic and MMO's, while the other involves big deformed naked people. They're a bit too much of a long shot. If I wanted to get someone into anime I'd try and stray from it containing anything too weird in it, than throw them straight into a case of 'What the fuck is this?'.
Posted 8/2/14

AzazelOfNexium wrote:



^^ Hunter X Hunter would be a much better choice to show someone. Since its pretty much a masterpiece in its own right.
Especially when he gets to the Chimera ant arc. There is no hope for him, if he cannot enjoy HxH


I love the current arc too, and greed island was great

But Chimera Ant arc definitely has a lot of epic scenes and dark moments.
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I feel like either Fullmetal Alchemist or defiantly HunterXHunter would be good "beginner" animes. Throw a slice of life in there if things are too weird for them to handle. //rolls eyes
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Cowboy Bebop

Azumanga Daioh (and the manga)

Both are benchmarks in their respective genres and highly recommended viewing.. I'd recommend them to almost anyone.
Posted 8/2/14
Go with the classics over new anime any day.
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I would also suggest staying away from most of the newer stuff. If he is a gamer, .hack is much better getting into anime than SAO. It is much more focused on people actually playing a game, and relating it to how it affects them out of game. Every character is who they are, and they keep the real world out of it, but it bleeds through sometimes. Overall, I just find .hack much easier to get into than SAO.

If he likes scifi flicks and dystopian settings, Ghost in the Shell, Stand Alone Complex is an excellent show to introduce to him. It is heavy on the action, and has a great narrative. The story has a great amount of depth, especially exploring the psychology and sociological aspects of humanity, and how it may be impacted by being directly connected to the net.

If you are more into scifi and less into the dystopian aspect, Cowboy Beepop is awesome. It is as it sounds, a western style space cowboy adventure. The characters are interesting, and the stories told are a lot of fun to follow. Not to mention the music and action sequences.

If you enjoy blood and gore and badassry, Samurai Champloo is a fun show to watch. It puts itself in a historical setting, but is filled with modern cliches of sorts. Great show if you are looking for something a bit more historical, but parody ish. It kind of plays out like forest gump, but in japan at the beginning of the 1900's.



I think the first step to really getting into anime is to find the art style you really like, and then follow from there. There are about 5 different artistic styles that I see when looking through anime. They range from shows like GITSAC and Cowboy Beebop with it's more realistic (relatively speaking) motion and sharp lines, to Full Metal Alchemist or DBZ, which has a mixture of the previous and more cartoonish bits, with shows like madoka Magica on the far side of the spectrum, or Lucky star, which is very much cartoony. There are a couple inbetween that are harder to place and describe, but in general, I like the beebop or GITSSAC more than the Lucky Star side.

Once you find your art style you enjoy, you need to pick a general genre. There are many listed genre's for anime, so I'll simplify it. Romance, comedy/ slapstick, Harem, Action, Slice of life. I think you can put every anime into one of these 5 categories, and have them relatively well described in general.

From there, Pick your artstyle and genre that you enjoy, and find the combination of those two and watch those shows. I've found that I built an appreciation for the story telling and character development from starting with .hack and gitsac, and that allowed me to focus in on those aspects, regardless of the art style. This allowed me to give a chance to other shows, like Madoka Magica, which I ordinarily wouldn't even watch because of the art style.

I also used my enjoyment of the art style to branch out from the action oriented plotlines to some of the romance shows, like Clannad.

I guess the point is, if he doesn't like SAO or Attack on TItan, those two shows share a similar artstyle and method of story telling, as well as character development. Find shows that are different. Cowboy beebop is a great show, because it doesn't take itself too seriously, but it feels like it could actually be a potential future. The art style is a bit more focused on the mixing the present with a future that isn't perfect. It's a bit more relateable, and the characters are beautifully developed. The story is spread out over the entire season, instead of being shoveled to you in clumps. It follows western methods of story development, where there is something that happens every episode, but also information that carries on throughout the whole season (like the story telling in Law and Order).

SAO and AoT are kinda shit for people who aren't into anime. SAO forces character development down your throat with the time skips, and AoT does similar things.


I kinda ranted a little bit, but I would suggest not watching the same show every time. Watch a different show every time, and find out which show he likes best visually, then see if he likes the audio. I can't stress beebop enough, because it has a killer Dub cast that did amazing work, so you don't have to read and watch at the same time, a killer problem for some with getting into anime. GITSSAC has a good dub as well, and Samurai Champloo was more than passable. If he is listening to dubs, just avoid shows that are heavy in japanese names, because english VA's say them very awkwardly in most cases.



But avoid slice of life types. Cultural differences make those very confusing most of the time. If a person doesn't understand the significance of using or not using honorifics in names for japanese people, 90% of the stuff happening in romance and slice of life will not make sense or frustrate them.
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Posted 8/3/14 , edited 8/3/14
Hey all, great suggestions!

Out of the three series we've sampled so far, he liked Mutant Turtles: Superman Legend the most. That was mostly due to it being a rather ridiculous take on TMNT though.

As for slice of life, he definitely enjoyed Non Non Biyori. I specifically chose that one because it doesn't get too much into cultural jokes or outlandish scenarios, like Lucky Star or Nichijou.

As for next week, we're going to be doing Silver Spoon.

Oh, and for people who say Fullmetal Alchemist, he already watched that one and really enjoyed it. He also enjoyed Kids on the Slope and Monster. He prefers strong, cohesive narrative in anime, but I'm more or less trying to show how fun it can be when things are a little silly.
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You picked two bad shows what did you expect?
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