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I'm probably going to get a resounding 'NO' on this, but....

Does anyone else prefer aspects of the original series to Ultimate? I'm not talking about filler vs the actual story in the manga. I'm talking about the way early episodes they both contained were shown. I'm sitting here watching both back to back. Here's what is irking me:

-The pacing in Ultimate feels terrible to me. They spend too much time lingering on CGI guns etc and it really slows the show down. Sometimes it felt like "Here's this manga panel. Okay here's the next one. Then look, panel 3 is pretty good"- sort of like vacation slides.

-The manga is hysterically funny. Ultimate seems to take itself so seriously. Or maybe it's the pacing that makes any attempt at joking just thud. I thought the original show captured the humor much better.

-The music. Ultimate's music feels so... wrong-- and that's when they have music. Great action sequences like the Anderson fight are bogged down with sleepy music, or there are scenes where music in the background would really add to the atmosphere and they have none. I don't normally pay much attention to that but the lack made me notice that the anime only felt half complete. The original OTOH, while sometimes the music was odd (or totally bad like the ED). at least matched up with what was on the screen and for the most part made it more exciting or amusing or whatever. And some of the original music was excellent.

Don't get me wrong, the animation quality itself in Ultimate certainly tops the original. But it feels like whoever directed and edited scenes together and whoever did the soundtrack kept missing opportunities to make this great.

And it's certainly faithful to the manga. Thing is, sometimes being ultra faithful to a book isn't the best way to film or animate something (Witness the two versions of The Shining, or the Watchmen movie). It's two different kinds of media, and allowances have to be made for that.

This whole thing started when I talked the husband, new to anime, into watching the Ultimate DVDs and he was BORED with the whole first OVA. Out of curiosity I showed him the first couple eps of my old Hellsing DVDs and he thought those were a lot more engaging storytelling. And so did I. And I wondered if it was just us.

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That's interesting that you brought that up - I'll have to watch both again and get back to this thread...
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The original one had a slight more back story as to whats going on, took more time introducing the characters and back-story of the hellsing organization. It was less focused on beautiful action sequences and more focused on setting up an actual world and reasoning behind the characters motifs.

I enjoyed the first one from a more story telling stand point, but it lacked the same "POW" that the OVA did. The ova was beautiful and thrilling, while it lacked a bit of story. The original show on the other hand, lacked that POW and made up for it with its nice narrative.

Both are good, but good in different ways.

If your someone who likes more mentally engaging shows (that make you think, and the show isn't fueled simply by action) the first one would suit your tastes better. But the second one would be the opposite, its more engaging and enjoyable to those who love action fueled stories.

i would give a better explanation but im tied down at work atm
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AsazelOfNexium said:
The original one had a slight more back story as to whats going on, took more time introducing the characters and back-story of the hellsing organization. It was less focused on beautiful action sequences and more focused on setting up an actual world and reasoning behind the characters motifs.

I agree. And not just that, but making you care about and empathize with the characters, Seras especially. Her working with the team and that whole dynamic made her character much more sympathetic and understandable in the first anime.

Alucard is just Alucard, but to me Seras and to a degree Intergra are the heart of the story, and the earlier version seems to reflect that better.

It will be interesting to see how the Nazi arc plays out. I've heard that the director comes into his own at that point, so I am looking forward to that. (I have never watched it, even though I have the DVDs. I do that a lot. But that's a subject for another topic.)
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This is the same thing I feel about Hellsing Ultimate. Probably the reason I dropped it and I wanted a continuation, but whatever! I got lots of stuff to do, anyway rather than worrying about a sequel that will never happen.
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I do not prefer the original to ultimate, however I'm not like one of those people who thinks the original was trash. I really liked it actually.

Show taking itself seriously? I mean.....why not?

The music? I guess it's just your opinion, but honestly I thought the music was great, and I consider music a HUGE part of shows. Usually game breaking to say the least. I love ultimate's ost. In fact, the only song I miss from the original series is- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZfo4NODiwI&index=26&list=PLQJxDrmaBNDtMJg_ysnAI3zKYS45Fb2Mx

Missing opportunities to make it great? I don't know what you see as "great", but what Hellsing Ultimate has accomplished, and the giant fan base behind it is pretty great. I would say that it had to have done something right.

And yeah, the first episodes or couple of episodes of a show are very often boring. I wouldn't compare both of the whole series based off this. (I didn't think they were boring at all by the way)

Also you say this: The manga is hysterically funny. Ultimate seems to take itself so seriously. Or maybe it's the pacing that makes any attempt at joking just thud. I thought the original show captured the humor much better.

and then this: And it's certainly faithful to the manga. Thing is, sometimes being ultra faithful to a book isn't the best way to film or animate something (Witness the two versions of The Shining, or the Watchmen movie). It's two different kinds of media, and allowances have to be made for that.

You're contradicting yourself, so I really don't know what you want lol.

I didn't think the pace of the show was THAT slow. Focusing on CGI guns? Like when Alucards gun was sliding in the first episode....a scene that only happened once for like 20 seconds? At least that's as much as I remember

Some parts of it were slow-er than others yes.....but only just like other shows. Also, the episodes are a bit longer, and I personally think that sometimes that makes shows feel a lot slower.

Not trying to be a jerk- I totally respect your opinion since I also really liked the first series. Just simply disagree with some things you said based on my own opinion.
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Posted 8/12/14
I liked the original but the thing I loved about it the most was the music! Hellsing ultimate loses on that part by a long shot with songs like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SMu3_X2fRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jQINMA6tu8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUARiS8qJKA&list=UUwMwhw8U3jV2xzhy0tXCdxA

Hellsing ultimate was great but hellsing had better music
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Posted 8/13/14
I loved Ulimate, totally blew me away.
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I did, back in the day, watch the original. I liked it and was disappointed it didn't continue. The problem lies that it was edited for video/TV. I really don't like it when they do that. Watching the first episode, ultimate did throw me off. BUT, the second... the third... the rest... they blew me away. I really got to like it. As a side note, when I watched the original anime I watched it dubbed because at the time I didn't watch subtitled, was actually adamant about never wanting to wathc subtitled. When Ultimate came out I had been completely converted to subtitled and I thoroughly enjoy the japanese voice actors.
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Posted 8/13/14
The first anime had a boring and forgettable main villain.
Ultimate had the Major.

That is all.
Posted 8/13/14
The Major talks too damn much.
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