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Posted 8/9/14 , edited 8/13/14
I saw something posted in the Zankyou no Terror thread and thought it might be good to have a place for it that doesn't mettle with the anime section. (Hopefully no one has posted this already; i did a cursory search and found nothing, but perhaps another thread exists.)

Basically, there are several Incidents that took place during WWII that the Japanese were behind. The views on them have changed both within and outside of the country since the end of WWII, often times involving the politics within each respective country. The three major ones that come to mind, please add others if you know of them, are the Rape of Nankin, comfort women, and Unit 731. I have found many, many books in Japanese on both sides of all these issue in Japan, there are certainly more defending the Japanese when it comes to Comfort women and the rape of Nankin, but it is also necessary to understand the prevalence of ultra-nationalists in Japan that are more than willing to extort or pressure local groups and politicians so their view point is overly expressed.

Another view point is the recurring theme that the Japanese took after the war of being a victim. It can certainly be argued that the normal people and common soldiers were used by their country, remember that Japanese had a draft during the war and that women and children were used in place of male workers in factories.

Other incidents may include the Botan death march and the use of POW for labour.

Try to keep it civil as I know this is a fairly touchy issue.
Posted 8/9/14
Rape of Nanking
Pearl Harbor

One being grim and horrible.
The other being grim and horrible resulting from the Japanese war council's stupidity.
Posted 8/9/14
Most of those in Unit 731 were never punished, research was too important. I think that the japanese got what they deserved by now being a bitch for the US, but there was no justice for those killed, raped and tortured.
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It was war. Lots of bad things happen. The Japanese did some fucked up shit, we should forget about it already though. I bet there are plenty of bad things that American soldiers have done as well.

I doubt the Japanese government were proud of what their soldiers did in Nanking at all. Don't punish an entire nation for what certain people decided to do. I wouldn't give a single fuck if we could have hang everyone in Unit 743, but punishing others who weren't part is something different.

It's not like Japan was just free of everything anyways. They got 2 big bombs dropped on them and lots of people who weren't soldiers died. Other things happened as well. And oh look, we're allies now, so lets drop the shit and worry about actual problems.

This is my view on the topic. Not very organized at all, just a bunch of thoughts.
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Stay_Night wrote:

It was war. Lots of bad things happen. The Japanese did some fucked up shit, we should forget about it already though. I bet there are plenty of bad things that American soldiers have done as well.

I doubt the Japanese government were proud of what their soldiers did in Nanking at all. Don't punish an entire nation for what certain people decided to do. I wouldn't give a single fuck if we could have hang everyone in Unit 743, but punishing others who weren't part is something different.

It's not like Japan was just free of everything anyways. They got 2 big bombs dropped on them and lots of people who weren't soldiers died. Other things happened as well. And oh look, we're allies now, so lets drop the shit and worry about actual problems.

This is my view on the topic. Not very organized at all, just a bunch of thoughts.
The main problem is that people are not simply asking others to forget, they are asking people to deny what happened, that is wrong. Though I think forgetting about history is not a good solution to begin with. Victims the rape of nanking are asking Japan to acknowledge history. Acknowledging history is not punishment. Denying the victimization of chinese people hurts the victims more than it hurts Japanese people. Saying that the rape of naking is a ploy by the Chinese does not hurt Japan, or at least the people saying it don't think it is.

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I think that the japanese got what they deserved by now being a bitch for the US
America has the largest external debt intentionally. America is the biggest bitch in the world
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Posted 8/11/14
Boycott all anime and Japanese products if you want the Japs to pay for their war crimes!
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Stay_Night wrote:

It was war. Lots of bad things happen. The Japanese did some fucked up shit, we should forget about it already though. I bet there are plenty of bad things that American soldiers have done as well.

I doubt the Japanese government were proud of what their soldiers did in Nanking at all. Don't punish an entire nation for what certain people decided to do. I wouldn't give a single fuck if we could have hang everyone in Unit 743, but punishing others who weren't part is something different.

It's not like Japan was just free of everything anyways. They got 2 big bombs dropped on them and lots of people who weren't soldiers died. Other things happened as well. And oh look, we're allies now, so lets drop the shit and worry about actual problems.

This is my view on the topic. Not very organized at all, just a bunch of thoughts.
The main problem is that people are not simply asking others to forget, they are asking people to deny what happened, that is wrong. Though I think forgetting about history is not a good solution to begin with. Victims the rape of nanking are asking Japan to acknowledge history. Acknowledging history is not punishment. Denying the victimization of chinese people hurts the victims more than it hurts Japanese people. Saying that the rape of naking is a ploy by the Chinese does not hurt Japan, or at least the people saying it don't think it is.


Remembering history is almost pointless. It doesn't stop us from making mistakes again like every history teacher on this planet tells us, it's borderline useless.

But getting Japan to acknowledge anything will probably never happen. At this point, we should just be happy that they're ashamed enough to lie about it even happening. This happens a lot.

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Remembering history is almost pointless. It doesn't stop us from making mistakes again like every history teacher on this planet tells us, it's borderline useless.

But getting Japan to acknowledge anything will probably never happen. At this point, we should just be happy that they're ashamed enough to lie about it even happening. This happens a lot.



You can go with the whole "remembering history is pointless" (something which I do not agree with) but...

In this instance, Japan continues to make sure their youth/outsiders are reminded of the atomic bombs/firebombing/how Japan suffered during the war. They so by making mangas like Barefoot Gen or movies like Grave of the Fireflies available for viewing outside of Japan. However, Japan does NOT allow anything about their War Crimes (movies, books, etc.) to be shown/be made available in their country. They do not teach it in their schools as have been proven time and time again, nor do they reference or talk about it unlike other countries that have made known their own Crimes.

How fair is that?

If you want to continually remember how you suffered, YET you don't want to acknowledge what you did to others - then those "others" must speak up. If they did not, then (Japan) will continue to make it seem like they were innocent.

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Stay_Night wrote:

Remembering history is almost pointless. It doesn't stop us from making mistakes again like every history teacher on this planet tells us, it's borderline useless.

But getting Japan to acknowledge anything will probably never happen. At this point, we should just be happy that they're ashamed enough to lie about it even happening. This happens a lot.



You can go with the whole "remembering history is pointless" (something which I do not agree with) but...

In this instance, Japan continues to make sure their youth/outsiders are reminded of the atomic bombs/firebombing/how Japan suffered during the war. They so by making mangas like Barefoot Gen or movies like Grave of the Fireflies available for viewing outside of Japan. However, Japan does NOT allow anything about their War Crimes (movies, books, etc.) to be shown/be made available in their country. They do not teach it in their schools as have been proven time and time again, nor do they reference or talk about it unlike other countries that have made known their own Crimes.

How fair is that?

If you want to continually remember how you suffered, YET you don't want to acknowledge what you did to others - then those "others" must speak up. If they did not, then (Japan) will continue to make it seem like they were innocent.



-I never said it was fair, and there really is no fair in this situation.
- What country hasn't done this? This isn't new at all.
- There's not much you can do about it, which I already said this. I do feel bad for the victims; I bet it would be really aggravating to see this but honestly there isn't much that you can do to stop it.

And my point about history and how it is pointless really was just commenting against what the person I quoted said about history. It really didn't have anything to do with the Japan topic.
Posted 8/11/14 , edited 8/11/14

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-I never said it was fair, and there really is no fair in this situation.
- What country hasn't done this? This isn't new at all.
- There's not much you can do about it, which I already said this. I do feel bad for the victims; I bet it would be really aggravating to see this but honestly there isn't much that you can do to stop it.

And my point about history and how it is pointless really was just commenting against what the person I quoted said about history. It really didn't have anything to do with the Japan topic.


1) There IS a fair in this solution. The "fair" is that Japan admit their crimes, and not continue to hide/deny them. Another version of "fair", or rather "fair for a start" would be for Japan to accept other countries exports of books/movies/etc about how they (other countries) suffered under Japan's rule/War Crimes just as Japan makes sure to export material about how they (Japan) suffered during the War.

2) I don't know why, when it comes to Japan, people must always rush and say that time old defense, "what country hasn't done this"? All countries have war crimes. All countries have done wrong.

But to deny such a major event that affected millions and millions in Asia as a whole; that affected thousands upon thousand of POW's from all over the world (America, UK, Australia, India, Holland, Russia...etc.etc.);to deny events that shocked and horrified even the Nazis themselves that not only were Allies of Japan, but horribly cruel as well...It just doesn't work, and it is not right. To play up one side and downplay the other is not fair. To educate people of how you suffered but not allow anything about what you did to others be taught is not right. On top of this, this is on such a large scale - global even.

Japan denying its War Crimes is like Germany denying all of its Nazi crimes and the Holocaust. Germany did not, and does not get away from that. Why does Japan?

3) By constantly talking about it, and bringing it up and referencing it (the latter of which Japan especially does), people will become more educated about this period in history, and realize Japan were not the sole pathetic victims they always make themselves out to be. Of course, Asian countries (Korea, Philippines, China, etc.) already know a lot of Japanese War Crimes and how they were severely affected by them. It is also good to see that every single time nowadays when Japanese War Crimes somehow come up in the media (especially through Korea/China), people outside of the Asian community/countries also know of the truth of the Japanese War Crimes, and don't act like Japan was innocent and make sure to point it out.

If Japan wants to keep denying/downplaying events, people have to refute their claims and show them the facts. It goes both ways after all. Japan cannot play up its victim's side without a sharp slap of reality.

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Stay_Night wrote:

-I never said it was fair, and there really is no fair in this situation.
- What country hasn't done this? This isn't new at all.
- There's not much you can do about it, which I already said this. I do feel bad for the victims; I bet it would be really aggravating to see this but honestly there isn't much that you can do to stop it.

And my point about history and how it is pointless really was just commenting against what the person I quoted said about history. It really didn't have anything to do with the Japan topic.


1) There IS a fair in this solution. The "fair" is that Japan admit their crimes, and not continue to hide/deny them. Another version of "fair", or rather "fair for a start" would be for Japan to accept other countries exports of books/movies/etc about how they (other countries) suffered under Japan's rule/War Crimes just as Japan makes sure to export material about how they (Japan) suffered during the War.

2) I don't know why, when it comes to Japan, people must always rush and say that time old defense, "what country hasn't done this"? All countries have war crimes. All countries have done wrong.

But to deny such a major event that affected millions and millions in Asia as a whole; that affected thousands upon thousand of POW's from all over the world (America, UK, Australia, India, Holland, Russia...etc.etc.);to deny events that shocked and horrified even the Nazis themselves that not only were Allies of Japan, but horribly cruel as well...It just doesn't work, and it is not right. To play up one side and downplay the other is not fair. To educate people of how you suffered but not allow anything about what you did to others be taught is not right. On top of this, this is on such a large scale - global even.

Japan denying its War Crimes is like Germany denying all of its Nazi crimes and the Holocaust. Germany did not, and does not get away from that. Why does Japan?

3) By constantly talking about it, and bringing it up and referencing it (the latter of which Japan especially does), people will become more educated about this period in history, and realize Japan were not the sole pathetic victims they always make themselves out to be. Of course, Asian countries (Korea, Philippines, China, etc.) already know a lot of Japanese War Crimes and how they were severely affected by them. It is also good to see that every single time nowadays when Japanese War Crimes somehow come up in the media (especially through Korea/China), people outside of the Asian community/countries also know of the truth of the Japanese War Crimes, and don't act like Japan was innocent and make sure to point it out.

If Japan wants to keep denying/downplaying events, people have to refute their claims and show them the facts. It goes both ways after all. Japan cannot play up its victim's side without a sharp slap of reality.



1. How can we consider that a solution if it's so unlikely that this solution will happen? That's why there isn't going to be a "fair" in this situation. I can think of lots of miracles that would solve all problems, but why even mention them if they are so unlikely to happen?

2. Because you were acting as if this is something new, something that never has happened before. Like it was an actual problem. And if Japan needs to admit their crimes, shouldn't the other countries do so as well? Since we're on the topic of "fair," why is this thread only about Japan and not all the other countries who have done terrible things and will not admit it, do not teach about it, lots of which is probably already forgotten? How is that "fair"?

And again I agree, I don't like how Japan, or any country, nitpicks the history they teach to make themselves look better. And I keep wanting to say that I have heard about Germany trying to deny the Holocaust. I have no evidence though, just keeps popping in my head but it doesn't matter.

3. But what does that accomplish? We know what happened, but knowing accomplishes almost nothing, actually it probably accomplishes nothing. I know, what happened was pretty fucked up, but it happened, and there probably is little to no need to know anymore anyways. I highly doubt this history will help to solve a future problem, so why teach it? And even if Japan did admit their crimes, does that make it "fair" now? Do you really think that Japan admitting anything would make the victims feel any better? I'm sure every victim today would probably say yes, but I'm going to assume that deep down inside, they know it wouldn't do a damn thing.

We'll probably never come to an agreement though. Obviously we have different views about history, which we already stated, that will probably impede us from finding a middle ground.
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That's like telling a rape victim they were never raped.
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One quick thing to note, as I saw it come up a couple times. The issue with war crimes being published is that the Ministry of Education blocked their references in textbooks for Middle school and High school. That being the case, this has happened since 1952 and been brought to the Japanese supreme court several times where the outcome was that the Ministry has the right to authorize/review textbooks, but that they should steer away from content. That being the case, there are still many ultraconservative groups and politicians that make outrageous claims, one recent one coming to mind was a Conservative Mothers' association protesting a statue/memorial to Comfort women in California. But, there is no ban on publishing about war crimes for regular books, and a cursory search shows that there are many more Japanese-did-nothing-wrong books than an actual-acknowledgement-of-the-crimes books.

A second issue I'd like to raise is the war crimes Japanese committed against themselves, ordering wounded soldiers to kill themselves, bring up plans to kill elderly, very young, and wounded in Japan to ease the food stress during wartime.

Lastly, there is the ever present issue of Koreans that gets left out of the debate. Many Koreans were killed by Americans during the war, as Koreans were drafted into the army or forced into labour in Japan. I don't consider it quite war crimes level, it is certainly criminal and amoral, but part of the reason that charges weren't raised against the Japanese in regards to Comfort Women was due to many leaders and collaborators in South and North Korea. After the war ended, many of these people held high positions in their respective governments or were closely tied to the government, especially the case with South Korea's military government.
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I tread about this.
Apparently they had a trial similar to Nuremberg but with more soldiers on trial.
I have mixed feelings about the sentences though.
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More than that, you know who was never called?

The Emperor. The person in whose name the Japanese army fought and bled and died and committed atrocities was let off the hook.
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