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If they fail to contain this outbreak, it'll be like the anime where the government declares Marshall law and quarantines the population until the outbreak ends. In the meantime, the streets will be filled with zombies and dead bodies everywhere. Well... maybe not zombies...


That'd be cool though. I'd probably be one of the first ones... but still...
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DeadlyOats wrote:

If they fail to contain this outbreak, it'll be like the anime where the government declares Marshall law and quarantines the population until the outbreak ends. In the meantime, the streets will be filled with zombies and dead bodies everywhere. Well... maybe not zombies...


Shit, I better call Rick and get a samurai on my side!
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The outbreak isn't an outbreak, but ebola is a highly dangerous disease due to its high mortality rate and virulence. Now, the virus is extremely weak against heat and arid environments, but if a drop of sputum were to land on say an ambulance bench, it isn't unbelievable that it could remain infectious for several hours, until the drop dried.
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The outbreak isn't an outbreak, but ebola is a highly dangerous disease due to its high mortality rate and virulence. Now, the virus is extremely weak against heat and arid environments, but if a drop of sputum were to land on say an ambulance bench, it isn't unbelievable that it could remain infectious for several hours, until the drop dried.


Not an outbreak?


With 1779 cases and 961 deaths officially recorded as of Wednesday, the outbreak in Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria is by far the worst for Ebola in history. There were only 425 cases in the most serious outbreak thus far, in 2000 to 2001 in Uganda*, and many other outbreaks were contained after just a few dozen cases.

What's more, WHO's official tally is probably far too low, one expert told a congressional hearing yesterday in Washington, D.C. “Our epidemiologists and medical personnel believe that these numbers represent 25 to 50% of what is happening,” Ken Isaacs, a vice president at Samaritan’s Purse—the group that repatriated two staffers suffering from Ebola and helped provide an experimental treatment for them—told a hearing of the U.S. House of Representatives’ Subcommittee on Africa, Global Health, Global Human Rights, and International Organizations. Chan today acknowledged that infected people often don't seek care and that the real number of victims is probably higher.


From http://news.sciencemag.org/africa/2014/08/who-declares-escalating-ebola-outbreak-international-emergency


At yesterday's hearing, Isaac labeled the international response to the outbreak as a "failure." Doctors Without Borders and Samaritan's Purse, where he oversees international programs and government relations, have provided the bulk of outside medical support so far, he stressed. “The international community was comfortable in allowing two relief agencies to provide all of the clinical care for the Ebola victims in three countries,” he charged. “It was not until July the 26th, when [U.S. patients] Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol were confirmed positive, that the world sat up and paid attention.”

His organization's epidemiologists predict that the disease soon will come out “with a fury” in Nigeria. “We’re going to see death tolls in numbers that we can’t imagine now,” he warned. “The truth is the cat is most likely already out of the bag.”


From: http://news.sciencemag.org/africa/2014/08/who-declares-escalating-ebola-outbreak-international-emergency

These experts are calling it an outbreak. The organizations they work for call it an outbreak, and governments are calling it an outbreak.

I'd say..... You're right. It's not an outbreak. I'm joking. I think it's safe to say, this is an outbreak...

And it seems to come from the fact that, somehow, the people in charge of paying attention to these things in governments around the world didn't respond. It's like they forgot how dangerous this virus is....


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It's like the swine flu "epidemic" all over again.


People made such a big deal about it for a few months, after a vaccine was created I haven't heard anyone talking about. I only remembered it existed when my cousin got swine flu a few months ago.
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Well, the H1N1 (Swine flu) was basically nothing compared to Ebola which has a way higher death rate. But to these chemicals, the first nation to really use chemicals was the German empire back in the Great war (WWI)
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excuse me while i go get my Zambambie survival team ready.
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There's only one solution. Destroy everything...

On a serious note. I don't believe in any conspiracies, tropical regions are known for being host to a plethora of pathogens and reservoirs (if excluding other diseases that arose from domestication and urbanization), however I wouldn't dismiss Ebola as a potential biological warfare agent.

Given an incubation period of two weeks can allow for it to travel, ample time for an outbreak to become an epidemic, but not a pandemic. Communicable? Very. Fatal? Highly. Although one would extrapolate that with Ebola's rate of mortality it would kill its host before finding more or an unaffected carrier. I highly doubt anyone will intentionally infect themselves in an act of bioterrorism, I hear it's a very painful and messy way to go out.
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DeadlyOats wrote:

If they fail to contain this outbreak, it'll be like the anime where the government declares Marshall law and quarantines the population until the outbreak ends. In the meantime, the streets will be filled with zombies and dead bodies everywhere. Well... maybe not zombies...


Shit, I better call Rick and get a samurai on my side!


u take samurai woman and i take crossbow guy
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The threat level of Ebola depends upon the strain. EBOV generally kills at a rate of 80-90%, SUDV at 50%, TAFV has no documented human casualties, BDBV has a rate of 25%, and RESTV isn't known to infect humans.


In the following paragraph, I'm mostly addressing the flaws of using Ebola as a weapon:

I'm not especially worried. Despite Ebola being both semi-airborne and transmitted via contact with bodily fluids, it's not as contagious or nearly as scary as it may seem at first glance. It makes HIV, the common cold, and measles seem like grim reapers in terms of infection rates. Unless you live in a society where it's customary for everyone to kiss, slobber on, eat, cough on, share needles, drink each others blood, "sleep with each other" whenever possible, etc..., the outbreak would be sporadic and greatly limited. Furthermore, if an infectee isn't showing symptoms, they aren't contagious. It also doesn't lay dormant in old carcasses, spit, blood, etc. Ebola can't survive in water, it can't be effectively stored as a spray, it won't survive for very long on contaminated fabric, or anything else like that. A weaponized Ebola strain with a greater infection and fatality rate is possible; however, even if Ebola is tampered with, the effectiveness is still flawed. It'd likely still need bodily fluids to spread, the fluids need to be fresh to infect (before the virus dies from being outside of a body, or due to the host's death), the infected likely still have to be symptomatic to spread the virus, and a virus that kills too quickly risks eliminating it's host before being properly spread. Also, when people think of airborne Ebola, they commonly jump to conclusions and imagine aerosol transmission. Ebola doesn't travel long distances in the air in tiny droplets. That's aerosol transmission. Instead, Ebola is limited to the normal range of coughs and sneezes (i.e., a few feet in humans). Also, in infected humans, high amounts of the virus is found in blood and feces, because the virus focuses on our liver. Because of that, unlike pigs who develop a lung infection as a result of Ebola, it's more difficult for humans to spread the virus via coughing. That's not to say that it won't happen, though.


Undoubtedly, there is an Ebola outbreak; however, an outbreak isn't the same as an epidemic or pandemic. If the situation isn't dealt with properly, it can become an epidemic. I'm not interested interested in over-inflating the danger poised by Ebola, though. It's not the Black Death or the Spanish Flu.

Some information (for those who want to know more about the different strains):
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/fact-sheet.pdf
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Human slushies.
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DeadlyOats wrote:


KP_Wrath wrote:

The outbreak isn't an outbreak, but ebola is a highly dangerous disease due to its high mortality rate and virulence. Now, the virus is extremely weak against heat and arid environments, but if a drop of sputum were to land on say an ambulance bench, it isn't unbelievable that it could remain infectious for several hours, until the drop dried.


Not an outbreak?


With 1779 cases and 961 deaths officially recorded as of Wednesday, the outbreak in Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria is by far the worst for Ebola in history. There were only 425 cases in the most serious outbreak thus far, in 2000 to 2001 in Uganda*, and many other outbreaks were contained after just a few dozen cases.

What's more, WHO's official tally is probably far too low, one expert told a congressional hearing yesterday in Washington, D.C. “Our epidemiologists and medical personnel believe that these numbers represent 25 to 50% of what is happening,” Ken Isaacs, a vice president at Samaritan’s Purse—the group that repatriated two staffers suffering from Ebola and helped provide an experimental treatment for them—told a hearing of the U.S. House of Representatives’ Subcommittee on Africa, Global Health, Global Human Rights, and International Organizations. Chan today acknowledged that infected people often don't seek care and that the real number of victims is probably higher.


From http://news.sciencemag.org/africa/2014/08/who-declares-escalating-ebola-outbreak-international-emergency


At yesterday's hearing, Isaac labeled the international response to the outbreak as a "failure." Doctors Without Borders and Samaritan's Purse, where he oversees international programs and government relations, have provided the bulk of outside medical support so far, he stressed. “The international community was comfortable in allowing two relief agencies to provide all of the clinical care for the Ebola victims in three countries,” he charged. “It was not until July the 26th, when [U.S. patients] Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol were confirmed positive, that the world sat up and paid attention.”

His organization's epidemiologists predict that the disease soon will come out “with a fury” in Nigeria. “We’re going to see death tolls in numbers that we can’t imagine now,” he warned. “The truth is the cat is most likely already out of the bag.”


From: http://news.sciencemag.org/africa/2014/08/who-declares-escalating-ebola-outbreak-international-emergency

These experts are calling it an outbreak. The organizations they work for call it an outbreak, and governments are calling it an outbreak.

I'd say..... You're right. It's not an outbreak. I'm joking. I think it's safe to say, this is an outbreak...

And it seems to come from the fact that, somehow, the people in charge of paying attention to these things in governments around the world didn't respond. It's like they forgot how dangerous this virus is....




Not an outbreak in the US, I should have clarified. It seems though that people in the US are losing their minds over the transport of two individuals for treatment and research purposes, a practice that has been successfully and without negative consequence been done before in Switzerland.
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I don't care about ebola, as long as I don't get infected by it.
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Now for some "conspiracy's"



*conspiracies
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What are the chances of ebola reaching Canada? As long as it doesn't reach Canada, I'm fine with it.
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