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Posted 2/1/08
What are your reasons for voting Republican? Specifically, what are your takes on the issues of the war in Iraq, healthcare, and the unbalanced economy?

Democrats, I don't need any input about why you're voting democrat, etc. Also, I hope the reasons posted in here will be factual and not just unfounded opinions, e.g. "The Democrats are ungodly sinners!" or "The Republicans make America better."

This is a post on my part to try and understand why anyone would want an administration that promises to continue Bush's legacy -- what am I not seeing?
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Posted 2/1/08
Why vote Republican? Being a conservative for one. However, Republicans are by no means conservative, John Mcain might as well be a Democrat as far as his voting record is concerned and he's probably going to win the nomination as he has as much money as Ron Paul and the popularity of anyone else I can think of.

So let's take these issues one by one:

Concerning the war in Iraq, it is highly unlikely that an future Democratic president would treat the volatile situation in Iraq any differently than a Republican. Democrats make an awful big fuss about Bush's lack of an "exit" plan without citing any kind of strategy of they're own. In other words, they don't have any idea how to fix it either if there ever was such a problem.

Healthcare is a token issue that Hillary Clinton invented while she was fist lady. It doesn't matter so much compared to other issues.

Democrats have often claimed that the economy under Bush has suffered from a recession. Any economist will tell you that in order for the economy to be in a recession the economic growth of the country would have to suffer a regressive trend for two fiscal seasons. An economist would also tell you that this has not been the case. The economy may not have been growing as much as it used to but it is not shrinking.

As far as I'm concerned the Bush legacy has been an initially popular Texan Republican who got his ass handed to him with the misfortune of being the guy at the reigns when the shit hit the fan (911).

If one thing is for certain, its that any Republican candidate will immediately distance himself from anything remotely associated with the unpopular Bush. They are by no means promising another 4 years of leadership similar to the bumbling Texan. In fact, in order to gain popularity from the middle ground voters, Republican hopefuls are back-peddling from many of Bush's policies saying that they are unlike Bush and will change things in Iraq, healthcare, the economy and any other things you might think Bush screwed up.

I own you all in political debate.
btw I'm voting for Obama in this year's caucus, so suck my balls if you call me a Republican. I just can own debate from any perspective.
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Posted 2/1/08
Well, I think the whole Republican political philosophy is based on a two level system, wherein an extremely ideological, heroic vision of politics and nationalism is given to the public and a more calculating, rhetoric based vision emphasizing power is used within the party and the academy. Everyone knows that Republicans are better at PR than democrats. It's the gospel truth. They raise more money, make better ads, have more talking points, and control more of the media (see Murdoch and News Corp.). They can gain so much popular support because of fear and hope. They're still advancing the Horatio Alger "bootstrap" mythos, that no matter what you do or who you are, if you work hard, you can be president one day. The average low income, low education joe looks at that, and says, hey, these rich folks, they've worked really hard to get where they are. In a country like this, they could have started out like me. It's wrong for us to take their money away from them, they've earned it. The big point here is that he believes, however obliquely, that he too can become a multi-millionaire, because that is the image that the media has fed him, and when that day comes, he'll want to hold onto as much of his money as possible (and who wouldn't?). As for fear - to put it as colloquially as possible, ever since Jimmy Carter's administration, Democrat has been synonymous for pussy (no disrespect to Carter - in my mind, his humanitarian work puts him far above most other latter 20th century presidents). Vulgarities aside, though, Republicans, through their use of rhetoric, language, and referencing, have projected a cowboy image, the American hero in the Wild West of the World, making things safer and more civilized for all, and with mastheads like Ronny Reagan to symbolize this proud American ideology, it takes only a mention of his name to make the masses stand at full attention and salute the flag. The Republican is the party of masculinity, fierceness, the uncompromising force that doesn't ask or negotiate, but demands, and says how things are gonna be. In short, it's the dick. Even though, using every reasonable human faculty, it seems apparent that working with heads of state and transcontinental organizations will contribute more to peace and stability than sending endless money and arms into the battle field, diplomacy just isn't sexy, and in the world of international politics, Americans want to be the pitcher, not the catcher.

The last big aspect of the Republican party is family values. Ever since Reverend Jerry Falwell allied his Evangelical Ministry with the GOP, the Republican Party has stood as a symbol of godliness and morality, more for its ties with individual religious leaders than the actual practices of its prominent members. The Democratic Party is, by definition, more humanistic, being forward minded and choosing their policies based more on values that benefit the individual as an individual, rather than the community as a moral, traditional society. It all depends on whether you see socio-moral cohesiveness or individual rights as more important. But, in a large church community (and most of the US is religious), there is that emphasis on boosting morality in the context of the whole group, as a single supportive entity, so they will go for the party that explicitly opposes abortion and civil unions.

As per your request, I've tried to keep my liberal rebuttals to these arguments to a minimum

and, and *edited* note to the dude above me, you really destroy your credibility when you conclude with a mantra on how much you "own" us. Please, keep it adult here.
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29 / M / California
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As far as I'm aware, all of the Republican candidates (except Ron Paul) have not made any signs of supporting a withdrawal from Iraq anytime soon, nor permanently. This is the distinction between the Republican and the Democrat candidates. They use words like "honor" and "freedom" to justify our continued presence there while downplaying the huge drain in manpower and resources the war is taking. This is in keeping with Bush's handling of and intents for the war in Iraq.

McCain, in particular, has implied (or perhaps stated -- going off secondhand sources here) that if he were to become president, permanent American bases in Iraq are a real possibility. I presume the other Republicans feel somewhat the same way.

The healthcare issue seems to be prominent because of it's "socialist" implications. I'm not quite sure if the Republicans have paid this issue any attention, so feel free to elaborate.

As for the economy under Bush, it became unbalanced as the wealthy were given preference (e.g. tax cuts), a trend that the Republicans seem willing to run with or unwilling to reverse.

Sure, the Republicans have distanced themselves from Bush as a personality, but they seem to be planning to keep some, if not many, of his policies intact or little changed.

But all that aside ...

In short, you both seem to be saying people vote Republican because they find them emotionally appealing. They don't really care about the outcomes of the issues I speak about above. This is my theory, and as I know little to nothing about the Republican side of the fence, I was hoping to get that information in a nice, post-sized pill, instead of trawling the internet for it.

If any other folks have input on this with relevant examples and/or concrete policy statements, feel free to contribute. Also, if anything I say above is an incorrect presumption or conclusion, please, correct me.
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Posted 2/2/08
I can't vote yet, but If I could here would be my reasons for voting Republican. In terms of war and terror, I completely support helping other countries, even if there is an alterior motive like oil or power, if the ends are that Iraq is no longer ruled by a rat bastard, and is democratic, I'm ok with it. Phone calls, I'm ok with, I don't have anything to hide, and I don't mind giving up a portion of my privacy in order to keep me safer, the phone calls are how so many of Al-quaida agents have been found, I'm ok with it. With the economy, I hate taxes, and so do most republican candidates, frankly, if we had a flat tax system, the IRS would dissapear, savig the government billions of dollars, that way, the government could afford to dramatically lower taxes. The only thing I may disagree with, is drugs. If I were president, I would legalize drugs, and tax the living hell out of drugs, so that they stay out of the hands of broke teenagers, and stop wasting taxpayer money on stopping drugs, along with the taxes it would bring in, you could dramatically lower income tax even further. On top of that, we're represented by an elephant, possibly the coolest animal in the world, next to pandas and penguins.
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Posted 3/3/08
I would vote republican for monetary reasons. Hilary wants to take my money and give it to poor people? FUCK THAT. This is america, not communist china.
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Posted 3/3/08
Hmm I never knew repulicans had sound reasoning behind their votes . Well any way this is a serius topic. I think most of todays rebublicans vote the way they do becouse their church leader tells them to do so. As evedent in the evangelical groops who blindly folow their leaders sugestion to vote republican regardless of who the person is or how their polisies will actually efect evreyday life and the states economy.

On a side note. Jiffypotpie15 gave a good example of how this country can go down the drain and become a policed state nation in no time. When you start giveing up your rights to the government with a happy face, moste of the time you wont get them back and they will always try to take more thats just how it is. As much as I like living in the U.S.A; as a citzen I still keep one eye on the government for resons Jiffypotpie15 thinks are ok. The government has been able to do its job catching criminals before without invading privacy laws, so why do they need to now. Giving up your rights to be safe from the "Boogie Man" IE the "Terrorist" who the government says is every were and nowere who are everyone and no one is the most unamarican thing you can do. Those rights to privacy etc. are ment to protect us from the government.
Posted 7/8/08
I'm a libertarian (or classic liberal; 18th-19th century liberalism) with neo-conservative view. Since I'm old enough to vote, I will most likely vote a Republican.

Economy: Most of Republicans favor economic-freedom (capitalism, property rights) intellectual freedom (science and technology) and small government because it makes societies prosperous. It can also bring us wealth by working; work more, get pay more. Capitalism is moral because it allows people to be free to pursue their own lives and dreams. I would not vote Democrats (like Obama) who favor Socialism and MArxism because it makes people subjects, chattel, owned by the state, which will plan their lives and tell them what to do. That is one of reason why American colonies back then opposed the British Empire.

War on Terror: Obviously, Republicans want to end war on terror and depose tyrants, terrorists and dictators since 9/11. A lot of Democrats (but not all of them) are too soft or wimpy on this issue.

There more reasons why I would vote for a Republican than a Democrat. But I'll just leave it here for now because I suck at explaining it.
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Posted 12/2/11
I vote Republican.

First of all I don't want no government to tell me where and how I should spend my money.
Secondly, I believing in helping other countries it might take us a while to finally see the results but all the blood and sweats that went in are for a reason. I have the freedom to turn left and right and I believe others should do so also without a high chair leader telling them to do that.
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Posted 12/3/11

polynasian wrote:


First of all I don't want no government to tell me where and how I should spend my money.


So, you'd rather have the BIG BANKS dictate how money is spent? At least, the public can sway government's direction. Banks would simply laugh at your face and spit at you; at the same time, they'd be demanding your money. If you think you're safe from the banks right now, think again. They'll get you eventually.

Enjoy your bliss in the meantime.
Posted 12/7/11

jmsberg wrote:

Why vote Republican? Being a conservative for one...
I own you all in political debate...
btw I'm voting for Obama in this year's caucus, so suck my balls if you call me a Republican. I just can own debate from any perspective.


Well, that turned out great didnt it?

Posted 12/7/11 , edited 12/7/11
Obama wants to turn America into Europe. Europe is in chaos. Socialism does not work. Look at Europe, they're in deep.
Wasn't it Clinton who opened up trade to China? Sure did wonders for them.

Republicans are for America and helping the American cuase.
Democrats are for "hello world, lets be friends, and share, and destroy our own values"

and I'm a christian conservative
Posted 12/7/11

KyuuA4 wrote:


polynasian wrote:


First of all I don't want no government to tell me where and how I should spend my money.


So, you'd rather have the BIG BANKS dictate how money is spent? At least, the public can sway government's direction. Banks would simply laugh at your face and spit at you; at the same time, they'd be demanding your money. If you think you're safe from the banks right now, think again. They'll get you eventually.

Enjoy your bliss in the meantime.


Yes, big banks want my money and I will never get it back, they want to steal my money. They trick me by using big words and i cant even withdraw cash...
BIG BANKS... they'll get me with thier ads on tv and special deals

people need to be smart with thier money, and it's thier money

and Big Banks dont own us... China does.
Foolish americans buy cheap stuff from Mao-Mart and basically give thier money to China.

The government controls America, and sometimes the goverment buys out the banks. Dont blame the tellers!

We can only blame ourselves for electing the wrong people for the job.
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Posted 12/18/11

KnightofMayhem wrote:


KyuuA4 wrote:


polynasian wrote:


First of all I don't want no government to tell me where and how I should spend my money.


So, you'd rather have the BIG BANKS dictate how money is spent? At least, the public can sway government's direction. Banks would simply laugh at your face and spit at you; at the same time, they'd be demanding your money. If you think you're safe from the banks right now, think again. They'll get you eventually.

Enjoy your bliss in the meantime.


Yes, big banks want my money and I will never get it back, they want to steal my money. They trick me by using big words and i cant even withdraw cash...
BIG BANKS... they'll get me with thier ads on tv and special deals

people need to be smart with thier money, and it's thier money

and Big Banks dont own us... China does.
Foolish americans buy cheap stuff from Mao-Mart and basically give thier money to China.

The government controls America, and sometimes the goverment buys out the banks. Dont blame the tellers!

We can only blame ourselves for electing the wrong people for the job.


China does not "own" the United States, they own our Sovereign Debt(Government issued Bonds) We can technically nullify those bonds through the legislative process, and completely liquidate all debts "foreign and domestic." They will never literally own us, because we can say "f---- off" anytime we please. However, that can spark and trade war or even worse.

"The government controls America, and sometimes the goverment buys out the banks. Dont blame the tellers!"

This should be rephrased: "the Federal Reserve owns America, and sometimes the FED buys out the other private banks."

The government is completely under the control of offshore private bankers, specifically the Bank of England (Bank of Rothschild)

After all Mayer Amschel Rothschild once said, "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."

Educate yourself before responding with a completely ignorant response.

Research my friend... Research....
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